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james castle Devil in Cell-Block D
Joined: 30 Jul 2004 Posts: 1999 Location: Toronto, Ontario
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 9:30 am Post subject: |
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Of course, I can defend myself but it's always nice when I don't have to. As Dimetre and Francesco point out any one who reads through the various threads can plainly see what's going on. Still, allow me to defend myself just a little further.
You hilariously say this:
jriddle wrote: |
This exchange with you has followed what's becoming a familiar pattern. I made assertions, referenced the canon to back them up. You appear, offer the equivalent of "nuh uh," throw ad hominems. |
Really? Let's look at my VERY FIRST response to your latest round of anti-Waid rants that appeared in your Future of Daredevil thread:
james castle wrote: | I get that some people don't like the current run (and, indeed, I don't love it) but all this talk about what Daredevil is really about or the true tone of the book is a bit ridiculous.
Sure, Miller was dark and gritty. Except for when the book veered into mystical ninja drama. And Nocenti had a serious, realistic tone - that included the frickin' Fat Boys and a trip to hell/heaven with the Inhumans. And remind me which bits of the Kessel run were gritty? The parts where he was fighting Man-Bull et al or his fights with other goofy villains? Chichester was serious at times but also action packed at times and also straight up farce at times.
Also: Flying Blind, Playing to the Camera, Echo (now that's taking Daredevil out of Daredevil!), Yellow. |
Not nearly a "nuh uh" or an ad hominem. Why, it looks to be a reasoned and backed up post. One that you, of course, largely ignored.
And that's the thing about ad hominems - they get such a bad name on the internet but they have their place. You're a liar (see above), you're uninformed (you don't even read the book you're bashing) and you're a terrible writer (well you are). Are those ad hominems? Sure. But they're also true and relevant to the discussion (okay, the last one isn't relevant but the first two are).
The bottom line is that you're just trolling and everyone can see it so please stop pretending you're not. If you'll simply just admit you're trolling and apologize for it I'm sure everyone will be happy to forgive you. _________________ JC
So why can't you see the funny side?
Why aren't you laughing? |
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Daredevil24 Humanity's Fathom
Joined: 06 Apr 2011 Posts: 367
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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Why does there have to be so many personal assaults on people over fans having creative differences? |
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james castle Devil in Cell-Block D
Joined: 30 Jul 2004 Posts: 1999 Location: Toronto, Ontario
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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Daredevil24 wrote: | Why does there have to be so many personal assaults on people over fans having creative differences? |
Because that's jriddle's goal. He comes on a site for a book he doesn't even read and then repeatedly says inflammatory things and ignores all replies until people get sick of him and attack him. Then he gets to play victim. Welcome to the internet. _________________ JC
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Daredevil24 Humanity's Fathom
Joined: 06 Apr 2011 Posts: 367
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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I really can't remember Jriddle insulting anyone except Mark Waid. But I do think things are getting carried away here.There's no need to make this personal |
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james castle Devil in Cell-Block D
Joined: 30 Jul 2004 Posts: 1999 Location: Toronto, Ontario
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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Daredevil24 wrote: | I really can't remember Jriddle insulting anyone except Mark Waid. But I do think things are getting carried away here.There's no need to make this personal |
Repeatedly telling someone they are wrong while completely ignoring what they are saying in response is insulting. He has tried (and succeeded) in making this all about him so I think it makes sense that things are now personal. _________________ JC
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Darkdevil Humanity's Fathom

Joined: 04 Apr 2009 Posts: 331 Location: The Bright, Sunny South
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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Daredevil24 wrote: | I really can't remember Jriddle insulting anyone except Mark Waid. But I do think things are getting carried away here.There's no need to make this personal |
It's this underlying assertion that the noir aspect of DD is the only 'true' version of the character or that if you enjoy Waid's run, somehow you are not a 'true' DD fan.
Which is complete bull****. You nor him nor any of us have the right to say 'our' perception of DD is the only correct one or 'true' one. That's arrogant and insulting which helps make this personal.
It's one thing to say you don't like Waid's run for whatever reason(s). That's your right. It's quite another to repeat it ad nasuem while ignoring others who are trying to refute your reasons in what one hopes to be something resembling a civil discussion. |
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Daredevil24 Humanity's Fathom
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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Relax people.We all love Daredevil,just different versions of him |
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Francesco Underboss
Joined: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 1307
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:27 am Post subject: |
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yeah only some people become anal about it and some don't. |
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james castle Devil in Cell-Block D
Joined: 30 Jul 2004 Posts: 1999 Location: Toronto, Ontario
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:08 am Post subject: |
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Also, some people are accepting of all the variations of Daredevil (given that he's a fictitious character written by multiple real life human beings) while others only accept limited versions. _________________ JC
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Dragonbat Playing to the Camera
Joined: 15 Jan 2014 Posts: 144 Location: Toronto
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:57 am Post subject: |
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True that. I came to DD via Waid's run, but once I was hooked I started buying Vols 1 & 2 off of Comixology. (Then I found Marvel Unlimited, discovered that I could read their online back issues for a yearly fee and it was cheaper, so I do that now).
I think that I can honestly say I've loved 95% of the DD I've read. Granted, there are some pretty big gaps in Volume 1's digital availability. Virtually everything after Karen walks out on Matt after that business with Typhoid Mary, and a lot of stuff before that, too, but I've picked up a lot in the last two years or so. Sure, starting DD under Waid has informed my perception of the older stuff, much like, when I picked up Batman in the late 80s, my 'core' image of Batman came from the Starlin-Aparo run (with shades of Filmation cartoon and Superfriends).
It didn't stop me from liking Golden/Silver Age material or most of what came later. It's taken the New 52 reboot to turn me off and that's mostly because DC took the tack that "all those stories and character development you loved? Yeah, they didn't happen anymore. Forget them." Yeah... no.
I'm pretty new here, and seem to be in the minority as far as liking Waid, which is why I'm mostly not participating in these discussions. I love current DD. Many folks here do not, and I don't think we're really going to bring anyone around to our respective points of view, so why fight? I loved Miller and Bendis, too—even if I just discovered their runs within the last year.
All I know is that every issue of DD I read leaves me wanting more and when the previews go up, I try to force myself not to read them because it only makes my anticipation level worse. There is currently no other comic on my pull-list that gets me this excited. And no other title in my library that I reread as often. |
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humanaccident Flying Blind
Joined: 10 Jul 2014 Posts: 26
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Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:34 am Post subject: |
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OOOOOOOOOOOKAY, so back to the preview of issue 6, I think that we will see Matt battle with the sins of his father, but ultimately realise that he tried to do the right thing and kept getting up and moving forward, just as Matt has always tried to do. He might lose a bit of his fathers saint image in his head but by the end he will love him as a fully rounded man, not just the hero he has built him up to be.
Thats my guess and it doesn't really destroy everything while being an interesting journey for our hero. |
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Gianni Flying Blind
Joined: 16 Oct 2012 Posts: 26 Location: Italy
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 7:17 am Post subject: |
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james castle wrote: | His father used to beat him. |
No. |
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jriddle Playing to the Camera
Joined: 19 May 2011 Posts: 129
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 9:07 am Post subject: |
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Gianni wrote: | james castle wrote: | His father used to beat him. |
No. |
Exactly. |
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james castle Devil in Cell-Block D
Joined: 30 Jul 2004 Posts: 1999 Location: Toronto, Ontario
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:47 am Post subject: |
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jriddle wrote: | Gianni wrote: | james castle wrote: | His father used to beat him. |
No. |
Exactly. |
He beat him in Man Without Fear.
It's ridiculous that you would put up such a weak one work, dishonest response to this but not deal with my devastating rebuttal of your misleading post. Obviously you don't actually want to debate. Classic cowardly trolling. _________________ JC
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jriddle Playing to the Camera
Joined: 19 May 2011 Posts: 129
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 11:59 am Post subject: |
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james castle wrote: | jriddle wrote: | Gianni wrote: | james castle wrote: | His father used to beat him. |
No. |
Exactly. |
He beat him in Man Without Fear.
It's ridiculous that you would put up such a weak one work, dishonest response to this but not deal with my devastating rebuttal of your misleading post. Obviously you don't actually want to debate. Classic cowardly trolling. |
I've already flattened you on that point. Apparently, you still haven't recovered. |
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