Daredevil Message Board

[jriddle]

[Darkdevil]

It occurs to me that my responses to this latest round in this 'discussion' are merely re-treads of what I've said previously.

Round and round we go and nothing new to add or do. You're not going to change my mind, I'm not going to change your mind.

Suffice it to say, I've voiced my opinions on why I think Waid's run is worthy both here and in other threads. Obviously, we have completely different perceptions and views on the same character (which, of course, is a hallmark of a great character).

So, the most I can say to you, is that hopefully you will find the next creative team on DD more to your liking.

Meanwhile, I will continue to read and enjoy Daredevil.

[humanaccident]

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There have been numerous times where Spidey has said he jokes when nervous, maybe I worded it wrong but thats what he does, the escape/release aspect is a bit true also though so I think we are both partly right on that.

Also I never saw DD being a release from day to day life for Matt, more a way to do good where he can't in his job, like its his way of operating within the system but also outside it? There have been numerous stories about how he almost sees himself as a different person with the mask on, so its not about releasing stress, its about doing good. Or am I misunderstanding?

[Francesco]

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[Francesco]

Well, Waid has made sure we won't see Matt practicing law for a while.
and actually quite a bit of storyarcs in the last twelve years involved that aspect of the character (playing to the camera, the murdock papers, that storyarc where big ben donovan was framed, the trial of the century, Out, without fear).

but now that I think about it, the whole point of moving to San Francisco was that it was the only other place where he could keep practicing law?
doesn't that contradict the whole point of him not being able to practice properly because of other lawyers bringing up the fact that he's DD?

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[Nightwing2001]

I hate to be a broken record here, but I still don't understand what makes the Daredevil of issue 158 onwards the "true" version of Daredevil, while everything before it, not.

Yes the Miller version of the character is seen by most fans as the best version of all time, and with good reason. It was lightning in a bottle, a once in a lifetime thing. Other writers afterwards tried to emulate it and follow the same trail he blazed. Basically a "if it's not broken don't fix it mentality" to the comic. So instead of a few exceptions (like Kesel and Waid) that is the version we've mostly gotten and are used to seeing for nearly 3 decades. So a lot of fans want to continue to see that version now and find the Waid version too jarring and too much of a throwback to the pre 158 era. I get it. But when people say that everything before Miller's stuff wasn't the "real" or "true" version I'm not really seeing how they can back that up with anything other than their personal tastes and opinions and of something they are just used to seeing.

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[MarcWagz]

born again is the best storyline, and miller gets props for it, but for having Daredevil try and kill bullseye and be happy about it later on kind of wrecked the character. Later authors were able to blend Millers daredevil with the lighter Matt of before hand, which is why brubakers arc was my favorite, in light of all the serious stuff happening, Matt is still his old, humourous self.

[Francesco]

Matt was never happy about having tried to kill bullseye, and this was shown by Miller himself in a subsequent issue, the one titled "Roulette". If you haven't read that, you should.

[MikeMurdock]

I am glad to see this thread exists., I’m a relative new comer to Daredevil only really giving him a chance in the last few years. Doing so made me fall in love with the character. I haven’t read all of it, but the Miller, Bendis and Brubaker stuff are my personal favorites and made for some of the best comic reading I’ve ever experienced. I came to Daredevil because my love for both pulp and film noir, it seemed like a perfect fit. Over the weekend I ran through all of the Waid stuff on Volume 3 for the first time. I applaud his effort to really change it up and brighten up the edges of what had been a very dark world for Matt Murdock.

With that said it wasn’t appealing to me. It was certainly fine just not my cup of tea. There were some aspects I did enjoy and I actually think that storyline with Bullseye, Lady Bullseye and Ikari or on par with any of the classic stuff. The rest, not so much. I don’t know if I could directly pinpoint what it was that I didn’t like but one thing I do know about those previous runs I mentioned stick out. Matt Murdock the character was almost more interesting to me then Daredevil (especially in Born Again and Bendis stuff). With Waid’s current run, I don’t seem to have any interest in Murdock or really care about him at all. He’s just kind of there as a function to further the story along.

I’ll probably continue to buy the issues as they come out, but whoever said there will likely be a sea change in the book when the show comes out I think may be right. Waid might not be ousted as writer but I think he may have to get a little darker…