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kentuckydevil · Flying Blind Joined: 19 Jul 2009 Posts: 79

i don't think diggle was/is the worst ever...however he has presided over some of the worse characterizations and conceptual ideas in the heroes history.

I go way back..I remember the man-bull story lines..the fake hippy psychic..etc from the early 70s...

for the record I actually enjoyed brubakers run..especially the return of the king...however everything pales in comparison to miller, which I still have his entire original run from the day i bought them,..and bendis was absolutely brilliant...

However I hope diggle leaves soon...will never trust him again on DD..marvel owes it to us to bring in a team much as DC has with detective..something special to set the ship straight...

Minion · Flying Blind Joined: 05 Mar 2010 Posts: 62

I can't rightly say as I've never read most of the other writers. He is definitely the worst that I have read. The first arc was quite good but after that it fell apart in a major way to the point that by the end of Shadowland I was actively angry about the disrespect shown to the characters and the totally cliche dialogue from every villain. And the single thing that I thought may be interesting coming out of Shadowland, Typhoid Mary's loyalty to Matt and her taking over leadership of the Hand, and threw it out of the way by having the Kingpin magic his way into her brain.

And I don't get the Brubaker Hate that's going on in this thread I loved his entire run, but I didn't read it in issues. I read the Omnibuses. Maybe it read differently in issues.
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Darkdevil · Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 7:37 pm Post subject:

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Francesco · Underboss Joined: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 1307

Exactly. Bendis was a good writer because he wrote damn good stories.
The fact that he left the book with a great change (Matt in jail) is not what makes him a good DD writer.

james castle · Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 3:10 pm Post subject:

I'd vote Smith for the worst which is saying something because even though DD has a proud tradition of having some really great writers do some really great work on the book he has an equally proud tradition of having really bad writers do some really bad work on the book. Smith wins, however, for the ridiculous Karen kill.

I don't get all the Chichester hate. He clearly got a little too experimental in the end but he also did some classics - Last Rites for example.
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thecolorsblend · Flying Blind Joined: 10 Jan 2011 Posts: 2

I've only been reading Daredevil for about a year so I'll be the first to admit that I don't have quite the investment in the character that the rest of you seem to.

That said, when a writer does anything, the question I always ask myself is "was the story entertaining?" and "do the characters' actions make sense given the plot and given their interaction with other characters?".

I therefore enjoyed the Bendis and Brubaker runs. My main beef with Diggle (and maybe this is more of a nitpick) is not so much that Matt killed Bullseye. It's more that he killed Bullseye when he did; not after Elektra died, not after Karen Page died, not after any of a number of atrocities Bullseye has committed.

We're to believe that Matt was a responsible moral agent for his choice as his decision to kill Bullseye is what allowed him to be fully possessed in the first place.

I can believe that Daredevil would want to or just flat out WOULD kill Bullseye. But I just can't quite convince myself that he'd choose that moment of all times to cross that line.

Darkdevil · Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:50 pm Post subject:

Wheelie · Flying Blind Joined: 10 Feb 2011 Posts: 37

It is hard to answer 'no' to this question.

Other writers have stunk on DD before, but this was the first time DD was completely mistreated like a cheap whore.

He was made a villain in his own book, in his own event, used as an excuse to attract Marvel fanboys wanting to see Spidey, Wolverine, and Punisher beat up ninjas.

The whole experience seemed dirty. DD was used and abused.

Diggle can maybe be excused if Shadowland was really the brainchild of Quesada or Bendis and Marvel-mandated.

james castle · Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 2:37 pm Post subject:

Just finished Shadowland and I would like to change my vote to "yes". I came into Shadowland with comically low expectations but it was much, much worse than I ever thought. Horrible idea executed in a horrible way. I can't believe they pay this guy to write comics.
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Nightwing2001 · Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:50 pm Post subject:

I have to say nothing can beat Kevin Smith as the worst DD writer, but after reading Shadowland, Andy Diggle is a very close second.

james castle · Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 2:31 pm Post subject:

Styleshift · Flying Blind Joined: 03 Apr 2011 Posts: 2

I can't vote without actually having read every run of DD.

I don't think Diggle is a bad writer. I've dug what I've read from Reborn. (Although it should be in the actual comic and not a mini.)

But yes, Shadowland was bad.
Good execution, but it was still a bad plot.
I like to compare it to emerald twilight From Green Lantern.

But that story gave birth to Kyle Rayner who is arguably a more interesting character than Hal Jordan.

Shadowland didn't really do anything for anybody.
Except further distance Matt from his friends and remove him from his position of leader of the hand (and with it all story telling potential Brubaker left with it.)

They've basically Civil war'd/OMD'd Daredevil here except the consequences of his choices have stuck. Which is good if it goes somewhere.

I think SL truly suffered from being hyped up and DD usually avoids that mess for classic story telling. That's my two cents anyways.

Daredevil24 · Humanity's Fathom Joined: 06 Apr 2011 Posts: 367

one of the worst but not the worse

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