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Colin Bell
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Foggy's Pal
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| Nice article Colin. Can't say I agree with much of your optimism, but a nicely written article all the same. The only thing that has me a bit optimistic here is that I hated Ultimatum, the event, but I have loved the relaunched Ultimate Universe. (except the Millar book) My hope is that Diggle is off after Reborn. I can see Quesada putting a great team on this book as he seems to have a soft spot for DD. We've had Bendis and Bru, so who's next: Fraction, Aaron, Rucka, Gieron? After much thought, I would like to see Rucka and Samnee. |
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Colin Bell
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Thanks for the compliment!
I know what you mean, but I've always suspected that as much as Diggle pitched the idea of getting DD back to his roots, a lot of Shadowland was editorially mandated, if only because we've seen him produce far more dynamic comics in his career. So I'm more than happy to stick with it and see where he takes Matt.
That said, if Joey Q turned round tomorrow and said he was replacing the DD team with Jason Aaron and Rafael Grampa/Francesco Francavilla/Patrick Zircher I wouldn't have too many complaints.
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DesignDevil
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I had hopes that Diggle would return to form with Reborn and we'd go "back to normal". Normal, as in good Daredevil stories being told. However with the setup as it is now I'm pretty sure Marvel is Heading towards another crossover/event down the road to with Murdock and Panther involved since they are now intertwined. And of course Wolverine and Spidey will show up again for no reason whatsoever except to get all the obsessive fanboys to buy another comic featuring Wolverine and Spiderman. And this is the ONLY reason Shadowland sold as well as it did.
Thats all Marvel does these days is lead one event to the next with no thought of story or character. Thats why I've dropped Marvel single issues. |
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Pete
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| Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 5:27 pm Post subject: Re: What's Next for Daredevil? |
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| Colin Bell wrote: | Hi guys,
Longtime lurker, first time poster etc.
Whilst I wasn't blown away with Shadowland and much of the last few issues of Daredevil, I'm trying to take the good with the bad and look ahead. Here's a wee article I put together...
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Forgive me, Colin. Your well written article comes across, to me, as nothing more that a puff piece comissioned by Marvel themselves. Is it?
To begin with, you recount the major moments of the whole Shadowland debacle as if the events therein are of one small part of a corporate masterplan, with the happenings of one character in one comic book being of little significance in the main. It lacks any kind of critical insight as to what has been going on in the book, either pro or con. It is as if the events of recent months mean nothing exept to sell the 'next thing', be that Reborn, the Glanfelice art, the 'what will Diggle do next' question.
In answer to the last question, I hope he leaves the book and never again manages to play havoc with these characters. What posesses the guy to even think he's even earned the right to play around with characters like DD, Bullseye and Elektra? You cite his choice of a lack of inner monologiue for Murdock as if its some kind of genius, when really what the most pressing concern on most peoples lips is why has this poor writer who has been been around on the book for a relative short period of time, been allowed to do so much damage. True, a lot of it is the money spinning, event driven monster that Marvel has become (at the expense of good stories, told well, that can develop over time). This however does not count for the fact that his writing is dull even when it has a big event to tell.
You ask the question, and I'm paraphrasing, ''Can anyone tell me that (Glanfelice) wasn't born to draw (DD)? Umm...he wasn't born to draw DD, Colin. Your example reminds me of a very 'old school' artist called Frank Robbins, who drew one disasterous issue of DD back in the 70's( it introduced Becky Blake, I seem to recall) and he was an OK artist who didn't suit the book either. On closer examination it appears that Matt has grown a moustache for some reason.
Your phrases 'the climatic moments of Shadowland' and 'the writers had one more trick up there sleeve' betray a hidden agenda. Also 'we'll be interested to see where (this all) leads'
No Colin, I'm afraid some of us retain zero interest in this great book and great character while it and he are so blatently being ill served. Get rid of Diggle and bring the storytelling back to character driven drama, a more mature level of storytelling that is more in line with some of the great writers who've worked on this book in the past, and then I'll be interested.
Finally, you're justification of Diggle having Matt killing Bullseye is not so out of character because he 'tried to do it before' in #181 is very poor. In #181 (a masterclass of comic book storytelling that Diggle could only dream of emulating, bless him) it could be argued that Matt let Bullseye drop mainly out of self preservation, as he was just about to skewer Matt with a sai. There is an argument also that he would not of known for sure that the fall would kill Bullseye, just do the serious damage to his body that it did, in order that he'll "never kill anybody again". I haven't read Diggles travesty of a tale using the same two characters, but I'm led to believe that the circumstances are completely different.
And even if they're not, I consider your comparason of Diggle and Miller to be sacrilidge. #181 is one of the giant issues of the comic book industry who's characters, events and happenings still resonate almost thirty years later. Shadowland is nothing but another of a long line of here today gone tomorrow 'major event' that everyone will soon pretend didn't happen or at best, forget about.
It might look kinda pretty but ,if it didn't mess around so much with characters I've grown quite fond of over the years, God, it would bore me to tears. |
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Taskmaster
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Colin, great article! Couldn't agree more. Like you, I'm extremely excited.
I wrote a big review of Shadowland as a whole here:
http://www.manwithoutfear.com/messageboard/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2863&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=10
It goes without saying that the Shadowland "event" was mishandled. Definitely the least popular arc in years for fans, but for what it is and where it's taking us, I predict that the story's purpose will become more clear in the future to the Shadowland-depressed fans and people will come to see it as a stumble, not an outrage. It was a means to an end, namely returning us to Matt's perspective again. He needed to leave that crazy life and find himself, as we do. |
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Pete
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| Taskmaster wrote: | | I predict that the story's purpose will become more clear in the future to the Shadowland-depressed fans and people will come to see it as a stumble, not an outrage. It was a means to an end, namely returning us to Matt's perspective again. |
So am I right in saying that here, and in your lengthy review on the other thread, what you're basically saying is 'Shadowland was crap, the DD issues were good, and hey, it's OK because things can only get better?
They really can't get much worse, Taskmaster.
As for the period '93 - '98, I pretty much agree apart from Kesel /Nord and a handful of issues pencelled by Colan. But to even be reminded of such a dire period in the books history by the present 'effort' is surely a sad reflection on the present 'efforts'.
Also, taking Matt off to wander alone and 'find himself' a la Nocenti all those years ago doesn't strike me as being terribly original. And they're not going to do it half as well as she did. |
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Francesco
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I don't ****** care what the **** is next for Daredevil.
I'm sick of waiting what's next. It's all I have done since Brubaker started with his depressing storylines.
I don't want to wait what's next, I want to close the book and have a feeling of satisfaction, not of "tomorrow will be better for DD".
I want to read new, exciting idas, I want Daredevil to inspire me, not to have me expecting what may come next. Bendis's stories have been like that. Everytime I closed a book I was feeling like I had read a good, well written in itself, satisfactory tale, that left me proud to be a DD reader and a DD fan.
Now all I have is "let's wait what's next". Over and over.
And I'm sick of it.
All they have done has been writing deeply unsatisfactory stories. Overhyped, acclaimed, here is number #100, here is #500, here we have "the debut of Lady Bullseye" (they bored the heck out of us with all that unnecessary hype), here we have the DD-centric event, nothing will be ever the same blah blah blah. And all of them overall bad, disappointing stories. This is the truth.
I'll see what they'll have for DD rebirth now that they have shoved the character down the toilet for good, but for sure I'm not going to get so gooey gooey on what's going to happen next. |
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Francesco
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| Also, Marvel: I don't give a damn about the Black Panther. It has been just a waste of a couple of pages on DD 512 for the sake of advertisement. |
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kentuckydevil
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| Rock on Francesco. |
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Colin Bell
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| Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 3:37 pm Post subject: Re: What's Next for Daredevil? |
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Hi! Firstly, thanks to Pete, for the warmest welcome I've recieved on a messageboard yet. 
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Forgive me, Colin. Your well written article comes across, to me, as nothing more that a puff piece comissioned by Marvel themselves. Is it?
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It's not.
Cheers!
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Pete
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| Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 8:46 am Post subject: Re: What's Next for Daredevil? |
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| Colin Bell wrote: | | Hi! Firstly, thanks to Pete, for the warmest welcome I've recieved on a messageboard yet. |
A welcome that I did state was just my opinion, Colin. Nothing personal in there.
I've actually read your article again in case I misread the info/tone, and I've got to say it still fails to come across on either side of the good /bad critical divide that helps to foster a darn good debate on these boards from time to time. To me, its just like you're trying to sell me the next thing in the line, flogging me a product I don't particulary care for. |
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Darkdevil
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Interesting article. I hope your optimism is well-founded. Shadowland was a let-down of an event rife with wasted moments.
Lack of internal dialogue really hurt this event. It wasn't so much a mystery of "Is Matt in control?". It was more "Is Matt even fighting him at all??"
Some scenes showing Matt's inner struggle prior to #5 would have been nice. Thus, Elektra's foray into his mind to 'free' him would have been more dramatic and intense. But what I gleaned was that he wasn't even trying to fight the Beast, that the Beast had him wallowing in ye ol' parental guilt. (Which I understand, but still don't like. Yes, his parents' actions heavily influenced his life but if, as Q-Ball said about 'too much tragedy' and 'wiping the slate clean', why not use more recent examples such as his outing, imprisonment, or his marriage??)
I'll read Reborn where maybe the sun will shine on Matt more than it has recently. Obviously, I can't have a married Peter Parker, is it too much to ask Marvel for a more content Matt Murdock? |
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