Daredevil Message Board

[theunrealstudios]

found this channel on youtube about the history of the comics from the creator and writers, the movie behind the scenes, etc it's got alot of interesting info on the character in the videos and it's pretty cool. check it out:

http://www.youtube.com/user/DareDevilDocumentary#p/u/61/rbdGlRQ4Xq4

[Guardian-Devil]

This is the bonus documentary in the DVD, the theatrical version!!
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[theunrealstudios]

oh well i have directors cut so i didn't know. still alot of good info starting from stan the man to bendis. the bloopers are pretty funny as well as the behind the scenes

[hardboiledzombie]

There is certainly a plethora of insightful information there, but Stan Lee is so full of ****. I don't care what he says, it wasn't a simple snap decision to change the costume's color. Whether or not he chooses to acknowledge it, the costume was redesigned. Minimally? Sure, but redesigned none the less by the great Wallace Wood. I simply don't believe the man, especially considering the fact that even he admits he had very little to do with the coloring process in the first place. It's extremely ironic that he says his favorite part of work was designing the credits, when giving due credit is the last thing on his mind. In all honesty, I highly doubt Daredevil would've lasted 40+ years had his costume not been changed to the iconic design that we still have today.
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"When it comes to that one final, fatal act of ending you...my gun has no bullets."

- Daredevil, DD #191

[theunrealstudios]

well said HBZ, well said. Wallace gets the credit for that one (perhaps their was "alittle" influence from Stan idk. To me i'll always be grateful for Stan creating Daredevil but he wouldn't be as cool and interesting without Frank Miller (had they kept the same formula as the same can be said with Batman.)

that's the thing if a character is meant to be taken seriously they can't have the weird fashion sense of a blind man. Joking aside, yellow in this much quantity to me just can't be taken seriously in this context. they wear flashy colors like Spidey or Superman they can have the "hero cookie cutter good guy costume" but if they're going to be darker anti hero type vigilante then they should stick to colors that show that as an outward expression ie: batman, DD, Punisher, etc

[hardboiledzombie]

I am grateful for Stan's involvement at Marvel and all the excellent things that came from it, but I think in moments like that, he's all to eager to bask in the glory. I don't know if anyone is certain as to who decided on the color red, I just like to think that if Wood redesigned the costume, he probably chose the color as well. And that's really my biggest issue here, Lee completely disregards others involvement and makes it all about him.

I don't hate the yellow costume, I just like the red one a whole lot better. The yellow costume is wonderful in that it hearkens back to a simpler time. Thus, it can be utilized to tell some nice retro stories. My only problem with the color is that in Western culture, yellow is symbolic of cowardice. So, you've got a guy who is the epitome of bravery fighting crime while wearing a color that stands for the very emotion he defies. Now, if it were purposely designed in that manner to elicit satire, then that would be awfully clever. However, I'll never give Lee that much credit as long as I draw breath.

I agree that yellow is pretty flashy for a character like Daredevil, but you have to remember that our opinion is all in retrospect. You are being affected by more modern interpretations of the character. Miller, Bendis and Brubaker have all told some fantastic stories in the mature vein, but think about it from Lee's perspective in 1964. The last thing on anyone's mind was creating a dark vigilante who broods in the shadows. And by the way, Daredevil is not an antihero. If anything, he's a tragic hero, but a traditional hero nonetheless. That's what makes Daredevil/Punisher stories so interesting. They're polar opposites.
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"When it comes to that one final, fatal act of ending you...my gun has no bullets."

- Daredevil, DD #191

[theunrealstudios]

In all likely hood Stan might have a bit of an ego that is understandable all things considered. he is human after all. Wally prob deserves more credit. the unintentional irony is always funny, never understood it till reading that greens lantern's Sinestro corps was the symbol of "fear" contrast of the Green lanterns being "willpower".

lol no don't get me wrong, i understand it as you can't expect certain aspects of todays story telling to be in the 1960's. the time period and story telling progression is understadable. I'm not that old but i have many volumes from stan, miller etc and the character has had huge development (with a few recycled ideas every now and then) and has had more development then alot of comic characters can say for themselves. i like the development i'm just not fond of the costume compared to red, fall from grace and shadowlands costume. That being said it makes sense to show a simpler time as you've said.

making a mistake i apologize, Daredevil is NOT an anti hero that was wrong without a doubt as he doesn't display enough traits to be one, he IS the closest thing you have to a Shakespearean tragedy in any comic medium that's ongoing as he goes back and fourth many times when falling from grace. Matt easily displays traits from Hamlet, Othello, Macbeth (the list goes on). in fact you could say that almost every character in that title (the main cast) is a tragic individual. Matt: (the list is too long), Fisk: ("almost" a parallel to Matt childhood with of course aspects of Julius Caesar and now Matt has had that same arrogance as well as Othello in terms of the epiphany of knowing what he's done to his wife), Foggy cheating on Liz Allen in GD(then again that's debatable character on Foggy's part since it was written by Smith), Electra letting revenge dominate her life, Karen turning to drugs, Milla falling to madness etc etc etc (the list doesn't stop).

the reality is that tragedy is all around them and they (for the most part) still persevere.