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DDTattoo Flying Blind

Joined: 04 Aug 2010 Posts: 34 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 12:53 am Post subject: |
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I totally agree with Knatty Dreadnok and RGdesigner on this subject. I'm guessing it's got something to do with the number of years we've been reading comics (almost 20 for me).
I've been there and done that with this type of stuff time and again. I no longer buy comics just because it's Daredevil or whomever, I buy them based on the quality of the stories being told.
Ryu Murdock wrote Marvel is a business, not a charity. If I were in charge of a comic book company, I'd let the writers tell the stories they wanted until the book was no longer profitable, then fire the writer and hire a new one. This would maintain artistic integrity in the books. Instead, what we have is mediocre writers and big "oh, oh, look here" events with no integrity.
Maybe this doesn't apply here, maybe they won't really replace Matt, but it sure applied when Superman was killed, Batman's back was broken, Spider-Man was replaced by a clone, Hal Jordan was replaced by Kyle Rayner. Now, I actually enjoyed Kyle Rayner as GL (especially in Grant Morrison's JLA), but he was only created to boost sales and no matter how much I enjoyed his adventures, Hal's could have been just as good or better if someone had taken the time and effort to make the book better with him.
Avoiding this type of thing used to be one of my favorite things about DD. I had hoped he could remain untouched in his own little corner of the world. |
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Francesco Underboss
Joined: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 1307
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Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:33 am Post subject: |
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No one is replacing DD, in itself. They're just saying his title will go to someone else.
I think it's the same they did with Incredible Hulk. For a while, recently, it has been "Incredible Herc", while Hulk stories continued in the "Hulk". Hercules remained Hercules and Hulk remained Hulk, and now the situation is back to its status quo.
Seriously, there's no need to get anguished, the way I see it. |
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Knatty Dreadnok Flying Blind

Joined: 21 Jul 2009 Posts: 58 Location: Interstate Of Mind
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Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 2:34 am Post subject: |
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Speaking of which... when Marvel does eventually replace Matt, perhaps Kuljit Mithra should rename the site Daredevil "New" Man Without Fear.com until Matt returns!  _________________
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Foggy's Pal Playing to the Camera
Joined: 12 May 2010 Posts: 106 Location: BEHIND MY DESK
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james castle Devil in Cell-Block D
Joined: 30 Jul 2004 Posts: 1999 Location: Toronto, Ontario
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Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think they'll replace Daredevil outright. I even doubt they'll give the book to another character. If they do, however, please, please, please let it be Gambit just for the sheer ridiculousness of it. They might as well make Wolverine the new DD.
More generally, "events" can be really, really good (Age of Apocolypse for example) or really, really bad so there's nothing wrong with them per se. Too bad this one looks like a loser.
DD is the only book I buy based on the character. The only time I skipped it in the last 15+ years was during Vision Quest. I didn't feel bad about that since it was pretty clear that was just an Echo mini pretending to be a DD comic. If the series takes a quick break to become a Nova in New York mini, I'll take a break as well. _________________ JC
So why can't you see the funny side?
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Darkdevil Humanity's Fathom

Joined: 04 Apr 2009 Posts: 331 Location: The Bright, Sunny South
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Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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Francesco wrote: | No one is replacing DD, in itself. They're just saying his title will go to someone else.
I think it's the same they did with Incredible Hulk. For a while, recently, it has been "Incredible Herc", while Hulk stories continued in the "Hulk". Hercules remained Hercules and Hulk remained Hulk, and now the situation is back to its status quo.
Seriously, there's no need to get anguished, the way I see it. |
Exactly. Where does it say they are replacing Daredevil? Nowhere. They mention the possibility of someone else gaining the tagline 'Man Without Fear'. Huge, huge difference.
But if something ever does happen to Matt, it'll depend of what the change involves. I am not a completist so missing issues because I don't enjoy the story, art, or both isn't a problem for me. But if I find the changes interesting enough, gimmick or not (and some stories that have arose from such gimmicks have been decent), I'll read it. |
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The Mast Flying Blind
Joined: 23 Apr 2010 Posts: 62 Location: London, England
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Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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They did it with Wolverine, too.
Maybe they'll change it to a series called The Man without Fear. How will they do the numbering, though? Only 9 issues ago they changed it. |
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Knatty Dreadnok Flying Blind

Joined: 21 Jul 2009 Posts: 58 Location: Interstate Of Mind
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Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 12:35 am Post subject: |
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Replace, change, substitute (take your pick) whatever choice words anyone cares to call it... splitting hairs here... the point is he's being temporarily removed as the headliner of his own book whether he retains the title, moniker, alias, codename "Daredevil" or not. _________________
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The Mast Flying Blind
Joined: 23 Apr 2010 Posts: 62 Location: London, England
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Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 11:39 am Post subject: |
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You don't actually know that for a fact.
It's likely, but we don't know that yet. |
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Knatty Dreadnok Flying Blind

Joined: 21 Jul 2009 Posts: 58 Location: Interstate Of Mind
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Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 2:49 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, well, time will tell... we will see. On another note. I'm still hoping the powers that be will select Kraven as the new man without fear... too bad his name doesn't start with a "C" too. How ironic that would be.
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the gael Playing to the Camera
Joined: 29 Aug 2004 Posts: 119
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Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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I bet that none of them will be the new Daredevil but the character that will fit in the missing place. Nova is way too powerful to fight simple thugs, and Gambit and Kraven... Marvel would never do this seriously (or they should change their leaders quickly) Black Panther is the only one that could fit the bill without being ridiculous, but black panther is better... as black panther.
And knowing that it will be "someone that is similar to Matt", my bet is on "the Shroud" (He appears on Shadowland, and is a blind guy with some kind of super senses) |
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Gee Playing to the Camera
Joined: 09 Feb 2005 Posts: 119 Location: Scotland
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Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 5:00 am Post subject: |
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I hate it when this change of character stuff happens, its the main reason why I prefer Marvel to DC, the stories should be about the people in the costume, not just the costume itself.
In saying that if they are giving us a new Daredevil for a while (surely they would only do it for a while!) I think maybe Iron Fist (he has done it before and is street level enough), or Deadpool? Both these dudes are street level but have potential to be pretty hardcore (like Matt when he is written well), they also have a lighter side which could lift the book a bit after the depression which has been Shadowland and the preceding years.
Also last time they stopped DD as a title when they relaunched it it became a top 10 book, when was the last time we could say that? Maybe from a sales point of view its not a bad call, and when it comes down to it sales keep the book alive. _________________ when walking just walk, when sitting just sit, above all don't wobble. |
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Foggy's Pal Playing to the Camera
Joined: 12 May 2010 Posts: 106 Location: BEHIND MY DESK
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Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 7:18 am Post subject: |
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Gee, you're right. It all comes down to sales. Like I posted in an earlier post DD has dropped to about 35,000 per month. I know Marvel was hoping for a bump from Shadowland, but the first DD tie-in to Shadowland was still only 40th on the sales chart. Maybe with a second printing, it will climb a bit higher, but not where it should be in our eyes. I'm ok with a relaunch with the right creative team. |
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Ryu Murdock Playing to the Camera

Joined: 05 Jan 2005 Posts: 175 Location: Cainta Rizal, Philippines
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Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:47 am Post subject: |
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Well with news on Daredevil Reborn. We can forget about new creative team, or at least new writer as Diggle is still very much on board. _________________ "I'm only a DEVIL to those who are demonic." |
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Foggy's Pal Playing to the Camera
Joined: 12 May 2010 Posts: 106 Location: BEHIND MY DESK
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Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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As I said in the other post, I think when the relaunch happens after the Reborn mini, we will have a new team. It really doesn't make sense to keep the same team that isn't pulling in great numbers or producing a notable run. I've enjoyed his run for what it is, but it's certainly not Bru, Bendis, or Miller level by a mile. |
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