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pbblair · Flying Blind Joined: 24 Nov 2005 Posts: 37

Thoughts?

Other than having a deep-seeded dislike of retcons, mine are the following:

1- What's with the chronology? This issue seems to jump ahead 10 years or so, but Matt's dad references the letter from Maggie although it's new. And that's it for Maggie, huh? A bit disappointing.

2-Stick sure spends a lot of time at Josie's.

3-DD:Father sure ruined the scene with Matt saving the blind man, huh? Now that I know that he's a child-molester that raises a serial killer, that is.

4-With his dad being such a jerk and a loser, why does Matt even care if he wins the match?

james castle

the truebeliever · Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 11:04 pm Post subject:

Yeah, I too hated the ending of DD: Father. It was total bs.

I'm probaly going to wait till Battlin' Jack comes to trade. And now after hearing this I'm happy I am. Thanks pbblair for the heads up.

Isaac · Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:47 am Post subject:

Mmm... i don't know what you mean, but I've liked it. I was sceptic about the unknown writer and about the artist, since I didn't like his work on Dylan Dog, but I must say I've been impressed so far. But after things like DD:Father (which I did not dislike, for the lapses between issues prevented me from understanding a thing), I think it's logical to be ready for the worst at any DD mini.
I liked it. And so far it's about Jack Murdock. Impressive.

Forrest · Lowlife Joined: 07 Dec 2004 Posts: 1439

Clayton Blind Love · Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:59 pm Post subject:

I was a fan of DD: Father. It wasn't the greatest, but the last two issues really made up for it. It is not like Matt can tell he is saving a good person or a bad person sometimes and I thought this was an interesting aspect on his origin story. Sometimes the stranger that you cross pathes with (in this case, saving) ends up coming back in your future indirectly or directly for better or worse. This reminds me a little of Saving Private Ryan when the platoon ends up sparing that German's life only for him to come back later and kill some of them. Good deeds do not always spawn good results.

C.
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james castle · Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:03 pm Post subject:

But the whole thing just smacks of "oh yeah, that's girl Matt pushed out the window? that's Typhoid Mary!!!!". I can't wait until it turns out that the guy driving the truck was Stick's Dad! Yeah!

Way, way back (and I know this is hard to believe) Marvel made a name for itself by making superheros more real. That Spider-Man guy was also Peter Parker who was just a normal kid trying to deal with being a superhero and the rest of his life. Stuff like this just makes it all one big circus.
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Francesco · Underboss Joined: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 1307

I could accept the fact that the guy Matt saved as a youngster was in fact a child abuser.
Like Clayton said, it is not like Matt can tell he is saving a good person or a bad person. Even if he could, that would mean nothing. He saved a person. That's what makes him a hero.

That said, the thing stinks because -that- is presented as the whole point of the miniseries, when actually, if you think about it, it's no big deal.

And it's a kind of overused plot device, nowadays. Sexual abuse. Really there was nothing else. DD/Matt didn't do anything heroic in the end. Maggie got shot by error by the FBI guys, Matt didn't realize till the end that Sean Farrel was the victim, not the culprit (and beside that, he didn't even notice he was dying, so much for Rader Sense + hypersenses). He just went to confront a blind, crippled old geezer, for no logical reason, if not the fictional one of attempting to give a significant ending to the miniseries.

harryhausen · Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:20 am Post subject:

I’ve been liking Battlin’ Jack, myself. It’s kind of low-key, but I think it’s nice that way. I’ll admit that the ‘cameos’ are a bit overdone (esp. young Turk), but it’s campy in a way that doesn’t cross the line (yet). I think it’s nice to see some of the backstory portrayed like this and I hope that a new reason for not throwing the fight is provided. If it’s just honor and whatnot, it’s still cool, but would seem an odd choice (knowing that he’ll be killed and abandon a blind Matt he considers weak). Maybe some new detail will enrich that choice for Jack.

I’ll also admit that I found the scenes with Jack and baby Matt to be pretty touching. Having an infant you didn’t know about dumped on you by your lost love who had flipped out and become a nun would be a heavy load for anyone, but in Jack’s position, I think it bespeaks a real effort on his part to do the right thing through this.

I also dig how this emphasizes the real blue-collar nature of Matt’s upbringing. That seems to be lost a little bit with certain writers, but Matt is born into some of the same circumstances that stereotypically yield offenders, yet he comes through it determined to be just the opposite – in both of his roles. In light of so many heroes who come from the Silver Spoon Set (Stark, Wayne, Worthington, Queen, etc.), it’s nice to see the other side of the coin so richly portrayed.

james castle · Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 12:19 pm Post subject:

For me this mini-series doesn't even exist so maybe I shouldn't be commenting on it. That said:

Francesco · Underboss Joined: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 1307

What is that? The "nun's paradox"?

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james castle · Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 1:44 pm Post subject:

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