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jriddle · Playing to the Camera Joined: 19 May 2011 Posts: 129

Everyone who has been a DD reader for any length of time should take a look at Waid's latest brilliant idea, soon to see print in Daredevil #6:
http://www.manwithoutfear.com/daredevil-news-article/2014/06/30/DAREDEVIL-6-First-Look

The Overlord · Paradiso Joined: 22 Aug 2004 Posts: 1095

jriddle · Playing to the Camera Joined: 19 May 2011 Posts: 129

Waid has Matt smearing mud over the part of his father's tombstone that says "A Good Man." Waid is the author, here; it's his name on the solicitation, just as it's been his name on the book for over three years now.

Matt has always been his father's son. "Dad. He was the greatest." The basic decency, the pride, the drive to never quit--it's all Jack Murdock. "The measure of a man is not in how he gets knocked down to the mat; it's in how he gets up." Fogwell's Gym has been treated, in Daredevil, as practically a religious shrine. Battlin' Jack was human and did things, at times, of which he was not proud. Matt knows this, understands this, and has unconditionally loved him anyway, warts and all, and never judged him. Times were hard and his father did the best he could, and wanted better for his son. All of this is a part of DD's story that has been with him from the beginning, through every iteration. It was there when the book had very little in the way of an unique soul and it's been reinforced by every writer who has worked on the character at any length since Frank Miller gave it one.

Screwing with that is something that would provoke pretty much universal outrage of a fairly substantial nature among actual DD fans, regardless of who was manning the screw.

In the context of Waid's run, it comes after years in which Waid has gone out of his way to strip every bit of Daredevil from Daredevil until there's virtually nothing left, and now he's going into the past to try to take this from DD as well. More of Waid's standard shock-value gimmicks because--as usual--he's incapable of selling a book without them.

Disgraceful.

jriddle · Playing to the Camera Joined: 19 May 2011 Posts: 129

Something I wrote here in the "Future of Daredevil" thread only 12 days ago: "Virtually every DD writer for 4 decades prior to Waid--good writers, bad writers, and every other writer--has stressed that element of the character, Matt as his father's son. No one who has read DD for any length of time at all (except perhaps Waid's DD) has missed that constant theme..."

And now, only days later, that awful preview of #6 and the revelation that Waid is going to be allowed to screw with even this.

james castle · Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:43 am Post subject:

1. It's a four page preview with no dialogue. Sure, the smear seems to speak for itself but maybe we could wait for, I dunno, the rest of the comic or at least the rest of the page (i.e. the dialogue) before passing judgment.

2. Anyone who has actually read any Daredevil knows that Matt has a very conflicted relationship with his father. His father used to beat him. Part of the reason Matt became a lawyer was because he knew that was wrong. Matt promised not to fight and then secretly broke that promise while his father was alive and continues to do so. I have my doubts about the whole Original Sin thing but I don't think a writer exploring the complex relationship between Matt and his parents is a bad thing.

3. jriddle again exposes what he's actually after here by referring to "actual" Daredevil fans. I find it hilarious that someone who doesn't read the book and has only read it off and one for the last few decades holds himself up to be an "actual" fan.

4. Aren't we at the point where jriddle is just trolling?
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Francesco · Underboss Joined: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 1307

they're just a few panels with no dialogue, it's premature to make anything out of them.
They show Matt being angry at his father for something.
No big deal if you ask me. People have both good and bad memories of relatives and friends who have passed away.
And Matt's father has done good and bad things in his life. He cared for Matt, he loved him, but sometimes he was drunk, he used to beat him up, forbade him to go play with the other kids. But most of all he never said the whole truth about Matt's mom.

Matt is well aware of this. I can recall another instance of Matt being angry at the memory of his father, it was at the beginning of Brubaker's run, with Matt hallucinating while in prison.

Dimetre · Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 11:27 am Post subject:

I pretty much agree with everything james castle and Francesco have typed. But I'll just add that, while I rarely enjoy crossover events, Original Sin has been a lot of fun so far. It's allowing characters throughout Marvel to be confronted with secrets they, until now, haven't been privy to. Obviously, because of events, Matt has found out something about his father he never knew before, and it's not good. Nothing wrong with this. Obviously jriddle isn't reading Original Sin either.

train · Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 5:24 pm Post subject:

jriddle · Playing to the Camera Joined: 19 May 2011 Posts: 129

james castle · Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 4:05 pm Post subject:

Daredevil24 · Humanity's Fathom Joined: 06 Apr 2011 Posts: 367

While you guys both seem to raise interesting points I have to agree with Jriddle on Waid's DD but I've already said me piece on that.I never really followed Waid too much but the things that I've read weren't too bad. I just never felt he was the right writer for DD but that's just me. Flash Superman Spider-man Captain America and Fantastic 4 always seem like his kind of characters to me

Darkdevil · Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2014 9:39 am Post subject:

I'm excited for this.

Rodriguez's art looks great. While Matt's relationship with his father has oft-been explored to great success, the backstory of his mother is pretty much a wide-open book so I'm looking forward to seeing what Waid has planned and how it will affect Matt's views of both his mother and his father.

Marcus Plato · Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 11:47 am Post subject:

Hi James Castle,

FYI...

I'm 42.
I've been reading and and collecting DD for over 30 years.
I own all but four issues.
I wrote my thesis on DD 20 years ago, and got a high distinction.
I've had a documentary made about my collection and love of DD that aired nationally on Australian television.
I have LIVED MY LIFE AROUND DAREDEVIL.
I am a Daredevil scholar, fullstop.

If Waid messes with Jack or Maggie (characters we all love) to an IRREVERSIBLE degree, like he did with DD's secret identity, I'm done.

So tell me, am I a troll? Does my opinion count?

You know what? Screw it.

Recently there's been too much animosity on this site.

Good news; you won't hear from me again.

Peace. Out.

P.S. I won't say this "over and over".

http://www.manwithoutfear.com/gallery/Marcus-Plato

james castle · Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 1:55 pm Post subject:

Marcus Plato · Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 7:02 pm Post subject:

"Due in no small part to me"?
Wow. And here was me thinking I was keeping it civil.
Peace.

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