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jumonji
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 Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:54 pm Post subject: Daredevil #104 preview (SPOILERS) |
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Holy *beep*! My nerves are wracked (kind of like the Ox's but with less pain...  ). The theory of Lily being essentially innocent but used by Mr Fear to further his own goals seems to be confirmed here. The question of what exactly she is supposed to be doing seems to be up in the air, but it can't be good. And doesn't Mr Fear seem more than a little "Mephistoesque" in these scenes? He wants Murdock alive, but without his marriage (though he doesn't say so explicitly)... He is just so... nasty. Evil, evil man.
Okay, what do you guys think? Sure, we'll know soon enough, but speculating is kind of fun.
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Gloria
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Oh, aren't those "a few days ago" things unnerving  ? Seriously, this opening flashback adds a new twist to things... Though, of course, we knew that Milla being put on house arrest was part of Fear's plan, still... yikes!
It's interesting to know that, before that, Lily was acting on her own, and wasn't an agent of Fear... But she is now. Not willingly, obviously, but that makes her a tragic character from now on, as this cannot possibly end well  . Plus...she wants Matt? Now, that's original, LOL
It seems that Matt is going to get another stab in his back while he's busy with Ox... Which makes me wonder, shouldn't Matt have told Dakota to be keeping tabs on Lily? At the D.A.'a Foggy looked at Lily with suspicion, too: has he smelt something fishy? I mean, I'd really like that there is someone something who is able to pre-date Cranston's moves... We'll see what happens!
I'm biting my nails, and we've got yet another issue to go!
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The Overlord
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| How does mr. Fear compared to bullseye and Kingpin now? Is Cranston a true nemesis, worthy of the role, now that those two are out of the picture for the moment? |
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jumonji
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| The Overlord wrote: | | How does mr. Fear compared to bullseye and Kingpin now? Is Cranston a true nemesis, worthy of the role, now that those two are out of the picture for the moment? |
That's an interesting question. It seems, from what we know so far, like Bru intends to use Mr Fear as an ongoing threat for future stories beyond this arc. I think he works quite well as a menacing presence who's ready to step out of the shadows and strike at any time, and as such I think he's a good "replacement" for the Kingpin.
What I find interesting about the dynamic of Larry Cranston vs Matt Murdock (my use of their civilian names is intentional...), compared to that of the Kingpin vs Daredevil, is that the former was personal from the very beginning. To Larry Cranston, Matt/DD is not just an increasingly bothersome nuisance to be dealt with. He's not even doing anything to directly interfere with Cranston's life in any way, it's his very existence that bothers Cranston. It's a petty grudge that's grown into an insane obsession, and the fact that it's so personal is what makes it so scary. When the Kingpin has tried to bring Matt down, he has done so with a certain amount of "professional" detachment. He's definitely taken pleasure in it, but it hasn't been an all-consuming obsession. With Cranston, it's as if what happens to Matt ties into his whole sense of self. Matt shamed him, and he's looking for all-out revenge so that he can be restored, in his own mind.
Their MOs are a little different too, as I see it. In Born Again, the Kingpin was like the cat playing with the mouse before going in for the final kill. With Mr Fear it is the game itself that seems to be the primary objective. He needs to break Matt while still keeping him around as evidence of his own power and ultimate triumph. Also, the process itself is much more cruel in that Fear very deliberately targets innocent people around Matt for the sole purpose of making him suffer. He knows how to hit him where it hurts the most, which naturally means hitting everyone but Matt, so that he can be left to helplessly witness the consequences.
Without turning this into a whole essay (maybe I did already ), I'd definitely say that I like what Bru has done to Mr Fear in terms of making him scary as *beep*. The nature of their conflict makes it even more effective. I can't wait to see where this goes. And, to answer your question, I obviously think Mr Fear is a very worthy nemesis.
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The Overlord
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| jumonji wrote: | | The Overlord wrote: | | How does mr. Fear compared to bullseye and Kingpin now? Is Cranston a true nemesis, worthy of the role, now that those two are out of the picture for the moment? |
That's an interesting question. It seems, from what we know so far, like Bru intends to use Mr Fear as an ongoing threat for future stories beyond this arc. I think he works quite well as a menacing presence who's ready to step out of the shadows and strike at any time, and as such I think he's a good "replacement" for the Kingpin.
Without turning this into a whole essay (maybe I did already ), I'd definitely say that I like what Bru has done to Mr Fear in terms of making him scary as *beep*. The nature of their conflict makes it even more effective. I can't wait to see where this goes. And, to answer your question, I obviously think Mr Fear is a very worthy nemesis. |
I think the differnece is while both are evil, Mr. fear is deranged and Kingpin isn't. Mr. Fear is willing to do things that Kingpin isn't, like use drugs to throw Hell's kitchen into choas (Kingpin forbade anyone from selling MGH in "Hardcore"), simply because Mr. Fear doesn't seem to have many long term goals besides torturing DD. Kingpin's motive is greed and Mr. Fear's motive is hate. His motive is more similar to Bullseye's then Kingpin's.
So in certain ways Cranston combines elements from both Kingpin and Bullseye. Like Kingpin he relies on brains instead of brawn and like Bullseye is motivated by hatred of DD. He isn't as impulsive as Bullseye (he is willing to go into hiding for years at a time) but he does have certain things in common : a psychopathic disregard for human life, an obsessive hatred of DD and willinginess to use any and all methods to make DD suffer. |
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jumonji
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| The Overlord wrote: | | So in certain ways Cranston combines elements from both Kingpin and Bullseye. Like Kingpin he relies on brains instead of brawn and like Bullseye is motivated by hatred of DD. He isn't as impulsive as Bullseye (he is willing to go into hiding for years at a time) but he does have certain things in common : a psychopathic disregard for human life, an obsessive hatred of DD and willinginess to use any and all methods to make DD suffer. |
Wow, that's a great way of putting it! Nice observation. About the brains, both the Kingpin and Mr Fear have certain "organizational skills" and let others do much of the dirty work for them, acting as pawns in one way or another. With regard to Bullseye, I think you're absolutely right. They both have that hateful, deranged lunatic thing going for them. I guess this means that Mr Fear combines the worst elements of both. What a great guy...
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Gloria
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| The Overlord wrote: | | So in certain ways Cranston combines elements from both Kingpin and Bullseye. Like Kingpin he relies on brains instead of brawn and like Bullseye is motivated by hatred of DD. He isn't as impulsive as Bullseye (he is willing to go into hiding for years at a time) but he does have certain things in common : a psychopathic disregard for human life, an obsessive hatred of DD and willinginess to use any and all methods to make DD suffer. |
Still, I'd say that even Bullseye has in mind that bussiness is a priority: He sure hates Murdock, but when he's got a job to do, he's got a job to do. He's always been essentially a hired hand. Cranston , on the other hand, is his own boss, so he pretty much does what he pleases: he's not even -unlike the first Mr. Fear- particularly concerned about bussiness as, with his Fear drugs, he'll always be able to live in the big way (unless captured and dropped in jail in a special cage to counteract his drugs)...
Brubaker has turned him into disgusting b*stard, that is, he's turmed the pathetic little man of Vol. 1 into a very frightening villain.
When he showed up in #99, there were guys saying "who da heck is dat guy?" "mmmph! a (DC) Scarecrow rip-off!" or "How can you be impressed by a vilain with such a corny name?"... In just a few issues, Brubaker has shown his writer's chops and proved them wrong... right now Mr. Fear is a top villain on his own right, and far more frightening than the Scarecrow ever was, IMHO.
BTW, I still think that there might be a Vanessa post-mortem which could help Murdock (or maybe it's just wishful thinking on my side *sigh*)
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