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Marvel Knight
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 Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Gloria wrote: | Now Drazaq, if you allow me to respectfully disagree on one point, I must say that I'd rather die than have Foggy getting superpowers!! "Foggy" and "Superpowers" are entirely antithetic concepts! His charm lies mainly in his indomitable everyman quality...If he had superpowers he would be like... like... OMG!... he would be like... Jimmy Olsen!!  |
lmao 
| Gloria also wrote: | No, no, keep the Fogster powerless (superpower-wise). Showcase, if you want, his excellence as a lawyer, make him again District Attorney, mayor of New York -or Hoboken-, or President of the USA if you may... But not a superhero: he's fine as plain hero-in-spite-of-himself  |
Aww, well said!
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user747
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| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 8:29 am Post subject: DD |
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Hello everyone, new user here with yet another opinion. 
Anyawy I'll like to see a sidekick/ protege under Daredevil's wings for awhile. Maybe the new White tiger, since she's floundering around in nowhere land. I don't particularly know why. Maybe just to show off how cool, skilled and experienced he is. And how (to me) he seems totally inept at training people. Batman he is not. Has there been a DD protege before?
Don't let her stick around too long though, send her off to Las Vegas or something before bringing her back to be killed by Bullseye...
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Blind Alley
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| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 12:01 pm Post subject: Re: DD |
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| user747 wrote: | Has there been a DD protege before?
Cheers! |
During Nocenti's run, Matt tries to teach a blind boy (not the super-hero job, just to deal with blindness).
He wasn't very successfull until Typhoid Mary helped him teaching the young boy (I think his name was Tyrone...)
At some point of his life, DD could become a mentor (after all, he's been trained by Stick). But as a mainstream hero, he doesn't really age, so I think it won't happen (or in a What If or an alternate universe).
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Francesco
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| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Naah. That wouldn't be coherent. Matt has been through too much s**t to want to train a "protegé" to follow his steps. |
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james castle
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| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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jumonji
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 11:25 am Post subject: |
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Okay, time to bring back another dormant thread! Hmm... New directions in DD stories? First of all, I agree with Gloria (at least I think it was Gloria) who made the point in the beginning of the thread that DD should never be permanently cut off from either Foggy or practicing law. I don't think writers should be afraid of deviating from the status quo, or shifting it, but you also need to be aware of what works and which parts of the character are essential in the long term.
I actually liked the partial "reset" in #93. Like a lot of people have said, it's not like it makes everything that happened during Bendis's run irrelevant. The situation is different now than it was before he was outed, but I don't think that storyline could have gone on forever, and the way Brubaker handled it was really nice. I don't think DD would even work as an out-of-the-closet superhero like the Fantastic Four (even before the SHRA), in part because of his rather unique physiology. His physical flaws could easily be used against him by his enemies. Although most of them seem to already know how his senses work (and which one doesn't) so this will probably come back to haunt him repeatedly regardless. Having everyone assume that he was faking his blindness rather than having super powers would have been a better idea, I think, but I still really liked Bendis's run.
As for future storylines, having Matt be relatively happy for a few months at a time wouldn't hurt. Life is a roller-coaster of highs and lows and that should be true for fictional characters as well. I liked both DD's happier days, such as during the mid-90's, and his darker moments. Both are compatible with the character, I think.
| Gloria wrote: | | No, no, keep the Fogster powerless (superpower-wise). Showcase, if you want, his excellence as a lawyer, make him again District Attorney, mayor of New York -or Hoboken-, or President of the USA if you may... But not a superhero: he's fine as plain hero-in-spite-of-himself |
No, Foggy should not develop superpowers. Although, come to think of it, I'm suddenly seeing a potential development here... How about having Foggy go deaf, but also develop X-ray vision and eyes in the back of his head!? No? No, I guess not...
Foggy doesn't need to have superpowers to be useful to Matt for things other than providing emotional support. He can already do something that Matt can't: see. Have him describe the occasional photograph or narrate a surveillance video or something. That's plenty, and he doesn't need superpowers to pull it off.
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Gloria
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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| jumonji wrote: | | ... I agree with Gloria (at least I think it was Gloria) who made the point in the beginning of the thread that DD should never be permanently cut off from either Foggy or practicing law. I don't think writers should be afraid of deviating from the status quo, or shifting it, but you also need to be aware of what works and which parts of the character are essential in the long term. |
I am not against Matt having adventures not related with Law issues. I am not against Matt quitting for a while his practice and trying new things (i.e. as in Nocenti)... But I believe that being a lawyer is no irrelevant part of Matt Murdock's life. Daredevil would not be the same if he was a practising... dentist?! (Daredevil, the odontologist without fear!). So I think, as you say, that Matt being a Lawyer is what has worked for ages, and will keep working in the future.
Matt's sense of justice (even the Beyonder noticed it!) makes even more interesting for him as a character to remain in practice.
| jumonji wrote: | | I actually liked the partial "reset" in #93. Like a lot of people have said, it's not like it makes everything that happened during Bendis's run irrelevant. The situation is different now than it was before he was outed, but I don't think that storyline could have gone on forever, and the way Brubaker handled it was really nice. |
And #93-wise... It's obvious by now that Brubaker never intended that as a retcon. Those who complained about the return to the status quo may be eating their hats right now, as the "return to normal" chez Murdock is never bound to be, ahem... normal.
As in here, previous "returns to the status quo" in DD were never a tabula rasa, i.e. in the Kesel era, Matt returned to law practice with Foggy and to Karen's life... but then, Foggy had just discovered that Matt was DD, and it was evident, in a nostalgic conversation that Foggy and Karen have while packing to bring their stuff to the Sharpe premises, that time has passed and they are not exactly the same raw youngsters who started a firm years before... This gave a nice feeling of evolution.
Right now, Matt has returned to his old life, but it is evident that it won't be easy for him to lead a quiet life.
| jumonji wrote: | | As for future storylines, having Matt be relatively happy for a few months at a time wouldn't hurt. Life is a roller-coaster of highs and lows and that should be true for fictional characters as well. I liked both DD's happier days, such as during the mid-90's, and his darker moments. Both are compatible with the character, I think. |
I think that a hero's worth is proven in difficult situations, but yes, Matt has been through rough times all too often. I'd like to see him to be a bit happy for a while.
... Where should we be signing a petition for that?
| jumonji wrote: | | Gloria wrote: | | No, no, keep the Fogster powerless (superpower-wise) |
Foggy doesn't need to have superpowers to be useful to Matt for things other than providing emotional support. He can already do something that Matt can't: see. Have him describe the occasional photograph or narrate a surveillance video or something. That's plenty, and he doesn't need superpowers to pull it off. |
I think that it is good that the characters around Matt are non-super-powered persons. I think that the worth of people like Foggy, Urich or Dakota (not to mention Becky or Milla!) is made even greater by the fact that they can help and stand by Matt even though they are just "normal" people... but then normal people can accomplish extraordinary things, too: to me that's one of the greatest attractives of the series.
(Note: Even DD's most relevant super-hero companion, the Black Widow, is "just" a highly trained super-spy, who helps herself with some high-tech gadgets... but other than that, she's got no super-strenghth, x-ray vision, or anything like that )
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jumonji
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Gloria wrote: | | Daredevil would not be the same if he was a practising... dentist?! (Daredevil, the odontologist without fear!). So I think, as you say, that Matt being a Lawyer is what has worked for ages, and will keep working in the future. |
There is no way I would go to a blind dentist! No, not even one with heightened senses. That is probably one of those professions for which you need actual sight, not just a decidedly powerful but fairly crude radar sense... I don't think Matt Murdock: Air traffic controller would be a great idea either, for much the same reason.
But speaking of dentists, I wonder how much business Daredevil generates for the all the dentists in New York. I mean, how many teeth do you think he knocks out in a week?
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Gloria
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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| jumonji wrote: | | But speaking of dentists, I wonder how much business Daredevil generates for the all the dentists in New York. I mean, how many teeth do you think he knocks out in a week? |
Well, in normal circumstances, he seems to go on patrol every night... I think that he gives New York dentists a supply of, at least, two dozen a week.
And, of course, the insurance company covering Josie's Bar windowpanes must feel ver y grateful towards Dd, too 
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