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Daredevil 500 Preview and Discussion *SPOILERS*
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Dave Wallace
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

harryhausen wrote:
[Dave, I think you were spot-on, by the way.]

Thanks! I was starting to think I'd been too hard on it. Smile

harryhausen wrote:
what I didn’t like here was how so little seemed to happen in the issues leading up to this one (esp. since the terrific Kingpin-in-Spain issue) and then, in #500, every two pages sees a quasi-left-field solution to a lingering problem:

“Sorry, Milla. Love you! See ya ‘round!”
“Sorry, Milla’s parents, you can have her back now!”
“Oh, wait. Izo’s been there all along.”
“Black Tarantula is good now!”
“Let’s defeat the Kingpin in moments. And allow him to escape.”
“Oh, Lady Bullseye, too!”
“Sorry, Foggy and Dakota. See ya ‘round!....And store my stuff!”

Perhaps Brubaker hoped to leave the book after finishing these plot points in his usual style (4.5 years from now, based on his usual rate…..)?

Yeah, exactly. I get the sense that these plot points were being set up to be explored in far more detail, so felt a bit short-changed by the quick wrap-up here.

harryhausen wrote:
(his stuff is in storage – all those candles and swords and coffee grinders and pictures of dead and insane lovers…poor Foggy….),

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CyberGhostface
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Overall, I liked Bendis's run better, but I thought Brubaker did a good job. It didn't really pick up until Vanessa arrived, though.

I was planning on dropping the book after Brubaker left to save some money, but I guess I'll give Diggle a chance for a couple of issues.

Also, I'm glad that Brubaker brought Owl back after Bendis unceremoniously had Hood pump him full of bullets.
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entzauberung
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But about that Nocenti backup. Really, that was a concentrated shot in the arm of Nocentieness. F*ck, I wish she'd got a longer piece...
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Blind Alley
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I liked it (Bru-Lark last issue).
Maybe better after a second read.

There were moments that reminded me their first arc. Lots of thing happening but almost everything solid and well done.
So I regret that Bru spent more than the half of his run writing a depressed and depressing DD. What took Izo so long to apply the Milla treatment to Matt ?
"Sorry, I was waiting for the milestone issue."
Decompression and writing for the trade are killing comic-books.

At the end, I was wondering if all the "proving yourself" stuff was a bit self reflective from Brubaker about his own run.
For me, it's been a good but uneven run, with a great first arc and rushed but original ending.

The Nocenti-Aja backup was nice. Aja did a great job channeling Mazz while keeping a bit of his own style.
Nocenti hasn't lost her Nocentiesque touch.
Where do you think this story might fit in the continuity ?
I think it's before "Guardian Devil". After the pictures failed, Bullseye tried the billy club. Too bad Karen was in the way!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blind Alley wrote:
There were moments that reminded me their first arc. Lots of thing happening but almost everything solid and well done.


i felt the same way. i enjoyed the issue quite a bit. over the last year, my comic reading has been spotty at best. that being said, i'm really not completely famaliar with dark reign, but with DD running the hand, i can see him going up against Osborne on a street level. there's alot riding on diggle's shoulders, but i'm really looking forward to what's next.

as an aside, i've been continuously reading DD for longer than i care to admit (since vol 1 issue 223). Brubaker's run has been a little uneven, but in my opinion, his first arc "Devil in Cell Block D" is possibly the best DD that i have read. it's a real toss up between that and "Born Again" for my favorite.
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Ryu Murdock
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Daredevil #500 was awesome! If you guys read the whole Brubaker run, you will know that with all the woes that Matt has faced, him wanting to shed light on an evil group like The Hand is not far-fetch.

Loved the Ann Nocenti back-up story.

I hope Andy Diggle thrill us to the maximum. He was given by Brubaker a very good $#!+ to jump on. I mean, "The Devil in Cell Block D" is Brubaker's best storyline because Bendis gave him a good jumping point I believe.

And oh yeah, Purple Man...please!
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Lightning Strike
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to say, I knew where Bru was going with this final story of his, but I was afraid that he wasn't going to be able to pull it off without butchering the story and Matt himself.

After reading this issue, I'm glad to say that not only did Bru pull it off, but he did so magnificently.

Bru paces the story beautifully as he peppers the main story with short past stories that answer all the questions that we have been wondering about.

I knew Tarantula was Izo's "inside guy" from the get go, so that didn't surprise me in the least, however, I was surprised to see that Lady Bullseye was all part of his plan.

One of the best things Bru did during his run was introducing Izo into the DD mythos. Bru even went so far as to embed him into DD's origin, as he was the one who sent Stick to mentor Matt. That was great, IMO.

The only thing I'm worried about with this new status quo is the fact that Bru is no longer steering the ship. Hopefully, Diggle has a good grasp on what Bru's direction is and he doesn't drop the ball. I think this could lead to some great stories and I'm definitely loving this book as much as I ever have.

IMO, Bru's run has to be considered as one of the best DD runs ever. He did such a superb job of executing his plans that this issue tied up everything amazingly well. It was brilliant.

My only complaints are that we have to wait until October for #501 and that Lark is no longer the artist. Sad
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Lightning Strike
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

harryhausen wrote:

- Kevin Smith makes me furious – vol. 2 starts with issue 9, folks!!!!! There should be a recap page that says, “Uh….Bullseye killed Karen Page…now let’s get down to some real DD.”


LOL, I agree. Although, I like the art by Q
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