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Daredevil #116 Preview & Discussion *SPOILERS*
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Dave Wallace
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's the review: http://www.comicsbulletin.com/reviews/123608760382009.htm
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Dash
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All in all, not a bad read. I really like how Lady Bullseye is playing a role in the story lately. While I'm not convinced she'll be as popular as Bullseye himself, I have no doubts she'll be inducted into the DD villain library with very little kicking and screaming.

As always though, there will be those who do not like that DD does not appear in this issue. While I'm not one of the people who needs to see DD leap off buildings and break bones every issue, I do feel DD is playing second fiddle to the overall story lately. This isn't really a bad thing, and not so much of an issue with this issue as it is about the Kingpin. DD would have felt out of place and forced if they would have involved him or shown what he's doing in NY while going back to Kingpin's story.

While I really like the run thus far. I feel that they are getting away from what DD is all about. All this inner turmoil and personal drama is kind of wearing down on me, as well as DD. I mean yeah, it does add to the story and character to have all this **** thrown at him. But I would like to see a little bit more of the "action" return and less "lets mess with Matt" events. Because quite honestly, Matt is seeming way more unstable than he's ever been. (I'm sure thats the intention) But it very much makes you doubt Matt's credibility anymore.

Anyway, I'd give this issue 2 Kingpin bear hugs out of 5
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 4:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I've heard this sentiment from Daredevil fans before and I can appreciate where you're coming from. I guess there's a place for the lighter, "swashbuckling" DD as well as the darker take on the character - but in all honesty, I prefer the darker characterisation and noir-ish stories. I guess it's just a matter of taste.

As for DD not appearing in this issue, it didn't bother me at all, since the story was so strong.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a new favorite artist after this issue. I think David Aja took a good story and turned it into an excellent comic. Even if you don't like Daredevil comics that don't have a lot of Daredevil, buy this book!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I think Aja's art is wonderful.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow. I truly loved this issue. I thought the way Brubaker made you really feel Marta's death was amazing. The whole issue was touching and well thought out. I absolutely adore the way the art played into the kind of "fated" vibe throughout.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really didn't feel Marta's death was all that amazing.

She was an awkward, somewhat under developed character. You know almost nothing about her other than she has 2 kids and that she for some reason likes Wilson Fisk.

In my opinion Marta was just created to make Wilson Fisk angry (not to mention give him a reason to come back into the story) It just seemed so random that she'd find Wilson Fisk on a beach somewhere in the rain (even if she does like it).

I don't know, while this isn't a bad issue by any means. I don't think it's a memorable or outstanding one.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dave Wallace wrote:
Yeah, I've heard this sentiment from Daredevil fans before and I can appreciate where you're coming from. I guess there's a place for the lighter, "swashbuckling" DD as well as the darker take on the character - but in all honesty, I prefer the darker characterisation and noir-ish stories. I guess it's just a matter of taste.

As for DD not appearing in this issue, it didn't bother me at all, since the story was so strong.


I love the art. But I feel they are getting TOO drama oriented. There was a perfect balance of art and action in the middle of this run. I can't name a specific story, but you guys know what I'm talking about. Like when Matt was sold out to the papers and went to Rikers.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dash wrote:
It just seemed so random that she'd find Wilson Fisk on a beach somewhere in the rain (even if she does like it).


Just a note of geographical information. I don't think it's so random as these are not desert places. Fishing villages as the one seen there are near the sea, and there are a good number of them, there, and very active, so the unlikely thing might be there being just two people by the seaside. As for the rain, it's not a matter of liking walking under it or not, it's just that it rains quite a lot, so if one wants to walk on the beach (or the streets), has to do so under the rain... or stay bored at home.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dash wrote:
I really didn't feel Marta's death was all that amazing.

She was an awkward, somewhat under developed character. You know almost nothing about her other than she has 2 kids and that she for some reason likes Wilson Fisk.


I actually liked the slight awkwardness and I thought that--while we didn't exactly get a life story on her--I thought we got a nice little view of her. I think what makes her stick out is that she brought out a different side of Fisk.

As for the title being too dramatic lately, I can kind of see where you are coming from, but I tend to like the dark vibe. Don't get me wrong, I am not trashing classic DD, but I think the mood in recent years suits him much better. I have a hard time picturing DD/Matt as a happy-go-lucky crime fighter. Then again, maybe it is just that I got into the comic later than most of you. (And I don't mean that as an age thing, just that I didn't get an early start.)
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The art was splendid. The story was above average, but nothing to get extremely excited about.
Loved your review, btw, Dave.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks! Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really liked this issue a lot, and I didn't think anything in it felt forced (at least not considering the set parameters of the Marvel U and Fisk's role in it). It would be impossible to develop Martha's character in just one issue, and her inclusion was probably just meant to show a different side of Fisk. That sense of foreboding throughout the issue really struck a chord with me too, and in an odd way this story shows the parallels between Fisk's life and Matt's.

As for the tone of the book generally, I do like the noir vibe though I don't think the book would suffer by being a little lighter and the main character being a little more balanced and less on edge. Less dumping on Matt doesn't necessarily equal happy-go-lucky swashbuckling. When it comes to character exploration, there is still so much I'd like to know about Matt Murdock as a character that I don't feel has been explored in sufficient detail and the best way to do that would be to show him handling a wide range of situation. As much as I like the Bru/Lark combo, I can't help feeling that DD is like a great actor who has unnecessarily been typecast into only playing one role.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 4:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess superhero characters inevitably end up getting caught in a certain cycle of stories and plots, and that can sometimes be difficult to break out of. What other aspects of Matt would you like to see explored?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll add that, the way I see it, Brubaker was right in not developing Martha's character. This way, the reader is left to imagine what sort of life Wilson has had in the months he has spent with this woman, and this enhances the feeling of simplicity and fleeting happiness of it all.
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