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Francesco
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| blacktyphoid wrote: |
A villian blowing up abortion clinics? I could see that stroyline challenging Matt's Catholic beliefs. That would be interesting. |
"Pop-culture Catholicism" in DD again? No, thank you.
DO NOT WANT.
I say, have Daredevil deal tangentially with the Superhuman Registraction act. It has been done with other titles (Thor, Nova...) and can work.
Have him facing a squad of these SHIELD flunkies and trying to find a way to counter those nasty Hypersonic Devices (that can dramatically incapacitate him as seen in "Welcome back Frank" and "the Widow"). |
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Marvel Knight
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| Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Francesco wrote: | I say, have Daredevil deal tangentially with the Superhuman Registraction act. It has been done with other titles (Thor, Nova...) and can work.
Have him facing a squad of these SHIELD flunkies and trying to find a way to counter those nasty Hypersonic Devices (that can dramatically incapacitate him as seen in "Welcome back Frank" and "the Widow"). |
I agree. I would also like to see a more substantial response in DD to the SRA. Having him go up against SHIELD is interesting, but I'd also like to see Matt involved in a civil liberties case against those unconstitutional bastards (...) who are running the whole show... 
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Gloria
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| Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Marvel Knight wrote: | | but I'd also like to see Matt involved in a civil liberties case against those unconstitutional bastards (...) who are running the whole show... |
Hear! Hear! same here!
I want court action! Maybe Matt wouldn't be able to beat a big team of Initiativeers, but with along with Foggy and Becky he coulf fight the hell out of the Reggers: First Ammendment!Fourth Amendment! Fifth Amendment! (plus some good old precedent dug out by Nelson at Law Library: Stoelting vs .West, anyone?)
For the pursuit of happiness and the liberty to wear tights!
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underworlderZer0
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It would be cool to see Matt and/ or Foggy argue the Constitutionality of the Registration Act to the Supreme Court.
Come to think of it, if they moved their offices to Washington, there would still be plenty of opportunity for DD to fight urban crime on the streets of DC.
Plus you could run with the "Daredevil moves to DC" bit.  |
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Francesco
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Well, considering how Marvel keeps on completely ignoring him, that was to be expected.  |
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Gloria
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| underworlderZer0 wrote: | | Plus you could run with the "Daredevil moves to DC" bit. |
Bwah-ha-Hah! Genius!
(Though I can't see Quesada making a big campaign out of it )
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The Overlord
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Yeah but seriously Hell's Kitchen is so part of DD now that him moving anywhere else would be considered blasphemy, so I think I could see him going to Washington for an arc, but him moving there forever will not happen.
Also I wasn't a fan of CW, because I think hero vs. hero battles are boring and stupid, so I wouldn't DD to spend too much time dealing with the SHRA. However the fact that the government was willing to use Bullseye as an agent would piss Matt off if he found it and it would be interesting if he confronted the government over this bone headed move. |
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Francesco
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| Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 3:29 am Post subject: |
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| Linking DD to the marvel world post CW =/= from hero Vs hero battles in CW. |
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The Overlord
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| Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:31 am Post subject: |
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| Francesco wrote: | | Linking DD to the marvel world post CW =/= from hero Vs hero battles in CW. |
Well DD will have to face off against the SHRA because they had the gall to use Bullseye as an agent and the Civil rights abuses being committed. But only for one arc, no need to drag it out. DD should spend most of his time fighting normal criminals and super villains like Typhoid Mary and Purple Man in Hell's Kitchen. |
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Drazaq
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Does no-one else think its tim eDD had some more villains to challenge him? I have been reading the Essentials volumes, and a lot of his rogues gallery are pretty cheesy and not that challenging tbh. People like the Plunderer and LeapFrog are pretty laughable. Even the Jester would be if not for the fact he is a physical match for DD. I would like to see more, More, MORE in the way of serious mental and physical challenges to DD, where you truly wonder if he can come out on top.
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Gloria
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| Drazaq wrote: | | Does no-one else think its tim eDD had some more villains to challenge him? I have been reading the Essentials volumes, and a lot of his rogues gallery are pretty cheesy and not that challenging tbh. |
Hi Drazaq, re old DD villains, there seems to be a quorum that, yes, they are not very strong villains, generally. But then we're just witnessing the return of an old foe which Brubaker has reworked into someone quite sinister and demonic...
Still, poor Murdock has had a string of stressing physical and mental challenges for years... I mean, I agree that he needs a good cast of villains to fight with , but I bet he needs a rest, too: I think the Overlord is right that future villains should be more concerned in other things than attacking Matt Murdock. Something more innocent like robbing banks, drug-dealing or plain serial murdering
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The Overlord
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| Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 11:48 am Post subject: |
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| Drazaq wrote: | Does no-one else think its tim eDD had some more villains to challenge him? I have been reading the Essentials volumes, and a lot of his rogues gallery are pretty cheesy and not that challenging tbh. People like the Plunderer and LeapFrog are pretty laughable. Even the Jester would be if not for the fact he is a physical match for DD. I would like to see more, More, MORE in the way of serious mental and physical challenges to DD, where you truly wonder if he can come out on top.
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To be fair, for the most part there are no lame characters only lame writers. If Gail Simone can make Catman look cool anything is possible. However you correct in stating that DD has had a mostly lame rogues gallery, but there some characters who stand out as being dangerous:
Purple Man: Considering he has been revamped into a depraved psychopath, he would a really dangerous foe for DD to have. Considering he can mind control almost anyone (except DD, of course) DD would have an uphill battle, battling through a bunch of mind warped innocents to get to Killgrave.
Typhoid Mary: a dangerous vixen who has played with DD's heart in the past. Her great fighting skills, mental powers and insane persoanlity makes her another dangerous foe for DD to have.
Mr. Hyde: the man says he supposed to be evil incarnate, imagine if he was written that way. Now due to nature his powers, Hyde's strength varies from each appearance, but he still outmatchs DD in terms of raw power. Add to that the fact that he is also a brillant bio-chemist and DD has a truly horrorific enemy on his hands.
Let's not forget Mr. Fear is being used well in the current arc.
That's just off the top of my head, there are likely other villains who could be a threat if written correct. I think Synn could be scarier if he was a cult leader rather than a would be crime boss and the Gael could be threat as an assassin who uses prep time to pose a threat to DD.
Even the lamest rogues gallery can be improved with a creative writer.
| Gloria wrote: | | Drazaq wrote: | | Does no-one else think its tim eDD had some more villains to challenge him? I have been reading the Essentials volumes, and a lot of his rogues gallery are pretty cheesy and not that challenging tbh. |
Hi Drazaq, re old DD villains, there seems to be a quorum that, yes, they are not very strong villains, generally. But then we're just witnessing the return of an old foe which Brubaker has reworked into someone quite sinister and demonic...
Still, poor Murdock has had a string of stressing physical and mental challenges for years... I mean, I agree that he needs a good cast of villains to fight with , but I bet he needs a rest, too: I think the Overlord is right that future villains should be more concerned in other things than attacking Matt Murdock. Something more innocent like robbing banks, drug-dealing or plain serial murdering |
Well the events of Out DD was a victim of circumstances, rather than a villain. One can have an impressive rogues gallery and not be a victim all the time. Look at Spidey's rogues, only Gobby and maybe Venom is considered with ruining Spidey's life, Doc Ock is a great villain but he is more interested in wealth and power than destroying Spidey's life.
If more DD vilains were more threatening, but presented as a threat to Hell's Kitchen rather than DD himself, it would be a better direction. |
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Drazaq
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| Quote: | | If more DD vilains were more threatening, but presented as a threat to Hell's Kitchen rather than DD himself, it would be a better direction. |
I agree with that. I'm all for villains trying to get one over on DD, but it gets old and allows stories to be dragged out. After reading a lot of the Essentials recently, i'm all for a return to the days of short arcs with just simple villainy and DD opening a can of whoop-ass. Perhaps a few more guest appearances? Whatever happened to Ka-zar and Zabu? Perhaps DD doing a bit more lawyering? And Foggy being more than a sidekick kind of character. I would really like to see DD rely more on Foggy for more than the occasional shoulder to cry on. It seems to me Foggy is always having to squeeze any emotion out of Matt. Perhaps Foggy should get some new-fangled super powers and put DD out of a job temporarily?
Btw, if any of these thigs have already happened, excuse me. I am not as uptodate on old DD stories (hence my reading of Essentials ) |
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The Overlord
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| Drazaq wrote: | | Quote: | | If more DD vilains were more threatening, but presented as a threat to Hell's Kitchen rather than DD himself, it would be a better direction. |
I agree with that. I'm all for villains trying to get one over on DD, but it gets old and allows stories to be dragged out. After reading a lot of the Essentials recently, i'm all for a return to the days of short arcs with just simple villainy and DD opening a can of whoop-ass. Perhaps a few more guest appearances? Whatever happened to Ka-zar and Zabu? Perhaps DD doing a bit more lawyering? And Foggy being more than a sidekick kind of character. I would really like to see DD rely more on Foggy for more than the occasional shoulder to cry on. It seems to me Foggy is always having to squeeze any emotion out of Matt. Perhaps Foggy should get some new-fangled super powers and put DD out of a job temporarily?
Btw, if any of these thigs have already happened, excuse me. I am not as uptodate on old DD stories (hence my reading of Essentials ) |
well I like a balance between the new and old, not dark angst all the time, but not full on Silver age cheese. While DD wouldn't have his life fall apart, he would still live in a noir world, which would have swashbuckling action. For example the villains would still be fairly dark, Purple Man and Mr. Hyde written as dangerous psychopaths not goofy villains. They would just be interested threatening the people of Hell's Kitchen rather than just trying to ruin DD's life. |
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Gloria
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| The Overlord wrote: | | Drazaq wrote: | | Quote: | | If more DD vilains were more threatening, but presented as a threat to Hell's Kitchen rather than DD himself, it would be a better direction. |
I agree with that. |
While DD wouldn't have his life fall apart, he would still live in a noir world, which would have swashbuckling action. |
Hear! Hear! I like this scheme... where is the queue to sign the blueprint? 
| Drazaq wrote: | | And Foggy being more than a sidekick kind of character. I would really like to see DD rely more on Foggy for more than the occasional shoulder to cry on. It seems to me Foggy is always having to squeeze any emotion out of Matt. Perhaps Foggy should get some new-fangled super powers and put DD out of a job temporarily? |
Well, Foggy is after all, like Matt's brother... so the shoulder-to-cry-on bit is quite quintaessential to him.
Now Drazaq, if you allow me to respectfully disagree on one point, I must say that I'd rather die than have Foggy getting superpowers!! "Foggy" and "Superpowers" are entirely antithetic concepts! His charm lies mainly in his indomitable everyman quality...If he had superpowers he would be like... like... OMG!... he would be like... Jimmy Olsen!! 
No, no, keep the Fogster powerless (superpower-wise). Showcase, if you want, his excellence as a lawyer, make him again District Attorney, mayor of New York -or Hoboken-, or President of the USA if you may... But not a superhero: he's fine as plain hero-in-spite-of-himself
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