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Mike Murdock
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem I have with that is mostly because I disagree with the third point. To me, it's a terrible introduction to the character because it's a complete deconstruction of the character. All the elements that have been established are laid bare, but it gives a misleading sense. You want to get a feel for the character as a whole, not when he's losing his mind.

He has several issues without a single bit of rational dialogue (or narration).
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2016 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

About the deconstruction, Miller executed it so well that how often was this aped and imitated by later writers? It lends itself to the overall perception (right or wrong) of the tragic nature of the character. So why not start with the best version of the deconstruction and one of the pillars of the tragic model?

On the flip side though, while Matt is deconstructed, BA is also about rebirth. Matt comes through this tragedy stronger and Miller highlights what may be the central appeal of Matt, that even at this lowest of points, he never gave up.

What's a better representation of the character than that?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Darkdevil wrote:
About the deconstruction, Miller executed it so well that how often was this aped and imitated by later writers? It lends itself to the overall perception (right or wrong) of the tragic nature of the character. So why not start with the best version of the deconstruction and one of the pillars of the tragic model?


The reason why I don't like the idea is contained within your point. I think it gives a misleading appearance of what Daredevil is. It's the reason I don't think people should start with Bendis's run. Bendis's Murdock makes sense as someone slowly snapping, but many people think it's just who Matt is. You start with something like Miller's original run so you can appreciate it when Matt is shaken. Otherwise, you end up with people who think Matt acting "normal" is out of character.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike Murdock wrote:
Darkdevil wrote:
About the deconstruction, Miller executed it so well that how often was this aped and imitated by later writers? It lends itself to the overall perception (right or wrong) of the tragic nature of the character. So why not start with the best version of the deconstruction and one of the pillars of the tragic model?


The reason why I don't like the idea is contained within your point. I think it gives a misleading appearance of what Daredevil is. It's the reason I don't think people should start with Bendis's run. Bendis's Murdock makes sense as someone slowly snapping, but many people think it's just who Matt is. You start with something like Miller's original run so you can appreciate it when Matt is shaken. Otherwise, you end up with people who think Matt acting "normal" is out of character.

Very well put. I completely agree, and that's why I would lend a new reader Frank Miller Visionaries Volume 2, which starts at #168. I think that's the best place to start, and let them get to #191 (collected in volume 3), and then lend them Born again.
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