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The Overlord · Paradiso Joined: 22 Aug 2004 Posts: 1095

I think now that we are done talking about other posters on the board, we can go back to the main topic of what we want to see after Waid.

Several pages back, we were discussing how Brubaker was attempting to give DD a boarder rogues gallery. That is something that is worth discussing, since it looks like Marvel is going to reboot their whole universe, the next writer can change or streamline various Marvel villains any way they want.

I like the Miller villains, but they can be overexposed sometimes. Other villains like Joker, Dr. Doom and Magneto have the same problem.

Now leaving aside the Miller villains they are other villains who have potential:

Stilt-Man is pretty hopeless, he should either be very occasional comic relief or just be retired. The Brubaker version of Matador was okay, though a bit generic, there is more for development for him. The original Leap-Frog was lame and is now retired, the Bendis one was an interesting one shot character, the Waid one seems like another forgettable goon with a gimmick.

Mr. Fear is scary, but only appears once in a blue moon, DD really needed another show down with him where he got a undisputed victory against him.

Owl is pretty inconsistent, he goes from joke to dangerous psycho all the time.

Purple Man is scary villain, though he only appeared in DD again recently, after not appearing for 25 years.

Mr. Hyde is another potentially scary villain that often gets treated like a joke. He should be one of the most physically dangerous villains DD faces, not some clown DD can beat by hitting him with a mail box.

I like some of the Nocenti villains, though they don't get much use outside of the 80s and 90s, with one exception.

Typhoid Mary is a great villain, but I feel she is under used given she is one of the better non Miller villains.

Bushwacker is a potentially interesting character, I like the Holy Roller characterization he gets sometimes, I don't care for him when he seems like Bullseye clone, just with a different gimmick. Not every DD villain has to be some pure evil psychopath.

Bullet is another character with potential, that is not realized. He is a super villain and a single father, that is interesting. It shows some duality on his part.

Heck with reboot even a lame villain like Man-Bull could be an interesting tragic monster, kinda like what BTAS did with Mr. Freeze.

I think one thing that makes for an interesting rogues gallery is interaction, have the villains interact with each other. Have them work together or against each other or just have them socialize. That is what writers do with Flash, Batman and Spider-Man's rogues gallery and those are considered some of the best rogues galleries in comics.

Another great thing with a reboot is, a new writer can reintroduce supporting characters, even returning characters from the dead. Karen Page can be brought back, without a convoluted explanation.

So this new writer after Waid, potentially has a lot of creative freedom to redefine DD's rogues gallery and supporting cast, any way they wish.

Mike Murdock · Golden Age Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Posts: 1750

I know that Miller really wanted to do a story with Copperhead, but never got a chance. Apparently he got brought back from the dead in Daredevil/Spider-Man, but I don't know how he was treated.
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The Overlord · Paradiso Joined: 22 Aug 2004 Posts: 1095

Mike Murdock · Golden Age Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Posts: 1750

I think he just ran out of time. The interview was included in the second book of the Frank Miller Omnibus. In it, he talked about some ideas he had going forward. One of those ideas was a story about why Matt Murdock decided to become a lawyer. He wrote it as a thought experiment and said he might never manage to get it into the book. Ultimately, he managed to squeeze it in in his very last issue - Daredevil #191 - Revolver.
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JoeWithoutFear · Flying Blind Joined: 16 Oct 2013 Posts: 54

I've never followed a writer change before. Usually I just follow the hero I'm interested in and the writing takes care of itself.

So, I'm curious, how soon should we expect to hear about who's next? I mean, it's all comin' up soon, right?

The Overlord · Paradiso Joined: 22 Aug 2004 Posts: 1095

james castle · Posted: Mon May 18, 2015 2:32 pm Post subject:

I think Daredevil has seen it's fair share of bad writers. It's also seen it's fair share of good writers doing bad work. So I'm cautiously optimistic at best. Daredevil is the only book I follow regardless of the creative team - a dangerous proposition no matter what.

In any case - am I the only one who is surprised we haven't heard at this point? Surely there's rumours out there? Whoever is taking over must already be working on it so how hasn't it leaked?
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kentuckydevil · Flying Blind Joined: 19 Jul 2009 Posts: 79

I was wondering the same..
I can only assume there has been no decision yet...however that makes little sense as well..

guess marvels too busy destroying their iconic characters and introducing new ones for the 'net' generation of comic fans..

ky

Daredevil24 · Humanity's Fathom Joined: 06 Apr 2011 Posts: 367

kentuckydevil · Flying Blind Joined: 19 Jul 2009 Posts: 79

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james castle · Posted: Mon May 18, 2015 5:20 pm Post subject:

Well, they went from Shadowland which, other than being terrible, was dark right to Waid. If they can throw the light switch from light to dark I don't see why they can't do it the other way around. The reality is that huge breaks in tone between runs are quite common in comics. Even more so when they come at the same time as universe altering mega events. Anything could come out at the other end.

Now that I think about it I think what really worries me is that they might go young with Matt. Everyone loved the Netflix series and it featured a much younger Matt than was ever in the comics (in anything other than flashbacks). That was one aspect of the series that I wasn't wild about.
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DesignDevil · Posted: Mon May 18, 2015 5:50 pm Post subject:

They also just confirmed everything is jumping ahead "8 months later" so there's no reason they can't change the tone and direction drastically.

Also, Matt and Foggy were around 30 in the show if you go by what was actually said by the characters. If anything they were portrayed as older than they were in comics when they started out. In Stan Lee's origin they became lawyers right out of college (22ish) because no one told Stan that you have to go to law school and pass the Bar. Even in Miller's Man Without Fear they were still only around 25 or 26.

Daredevil24 · Humanity's Fathom Joined: 06 Apr 2011 Posts: 367

How old would you say Matt is in the comics?I always figured he was around 35 or 36...possibly 37/..I really hope they don't de-age him but I have a feeling post Secret Wars him and Peter Parker may be de-aged.

Mike Murdock · Golden Age Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Posts: 1750

I'd probably de-age everyone. Mid-30s would be my guess of his comics age. One day I'd like to look at fixed points (New Years, Christmas, etc.) and see how many years, at a minimum, would have to pass for the whole thing to make logical sense (assuming chronology stays in tact so, if the series had three issues that went Christmas, New Years, Christmas, a year passes, likewise for the year Matt Murdock ruled Hells Kitchen).

Obviously, I'm giving a floating timeline way more thought than it deserves, but it might be interesting.
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kentuckydevil · Flying Blind Joined: 19 Jul 2009 Posts: 79

question is will marvel go a 'hard" reboot?

I can see the attraction to go back to the very beginning and re define the entire thing..

However looking at the books scheduled to be released it doesn't appear to be the case...hell I just don't know..

It's weird being a fan of these characters..of this medium in general.....I'm 50 yrs old..I've read..loved Daredevil and a few others since I was 6...I've followed nothing else like this comic book medium...musicians die...writers as well..tv shows are cancelled..their impact and legacy are very limited..while these comic characters go on...

it's really a different amazing unique hobby..passion and love...sorry for thinking out loud..but no one else will listen..lol..

3 more issues.

ky

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