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Marcus Plato · Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 8:50 am Post subject:

Also posted in "The Future Of Daredevil" thread...

Okay, assuming you would like;
A. DD's secret identity to be a secret...
B. His abilities to be a secret...
C. Him to be back in the Kitchen...
D. Bullseye to be back in the scene...
...how would you explain it?
"It was all a dream..."?

And also...

Sometimes (frequently) I play (re-enact pivotal scenes) with my DD action figures. Now, in the middle of a beautifully choreographed rooftop fight, I have to make Bullseye say "I'll get you, Murdock! With this air-horn!"

Or Fisk; "Tie him down... and tickle him..."

The Punisher; "Easy, Murdock, I have a Fart Amplifier!"

The Watcher; "I told you so..."

THAT'S IT!!! IT'S ALL BEEN ONE LONG "WHAT IF?" STORY!!!

Daredevil24 · Humanity's Fathom Joined: 06 Apr 2011 Posts: 367

Never thought I'd see the day when Matt Murdock became nothing more than a blind clown,truly a sad day. Red Batman pffffffff

Francesco · Underboss Joined: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 1307

I understood that things were going irreversibly bad when Matt and foggy cracked a rather dumb joke on Stilt-man being behind everything by saying "you didn't have to sign it, Stilt-man". If you use one of the most dramatic pages of DD's history like the "you didn't have to sign it, Fisk", it means you have no respect for the character.

Gee · Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 11:40 am Post subject:

I don't mind the fact that he has moved out of Hell Kitchen, always thought it restricted him a bit, how can you seriously expect a neighborhood to have any crime when he roams the streets? Why not go a couple of blocks over and commit your crime there? Its a bit silly.
Talking of silly, the art is terrible, I have not liked it since Waid took over, as someone else said its infantile, childlike, the tone of the book would be far better with a better artist. Looking forward to the next one.

I like the superhero stuff, I like that we have ups and downs but somethig needs to change in our guys world. What? I don't know, fake his death and start again as another hero? This has been done. Maybe Waid has taken this story over the edge, I just hope the stupidity that was End of Days does not come to pass....
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Nightwing2001 · Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 3:13 pm Post subject:

I've got to agree about the artwork as well, I just can't take it anymore. It's so over the top cartoon-y. There was a scene with Foggy and Kirsten in issue 3 where they both look over in surprise at a ringing phone and they had black dots for eyes. I literally felt like I was reading Tintin or Little Orphan Annie! lol

humanaccident · Flying Blind Joined: 10 Jul 2014 Posts: 26

The big issue most people have with the recent run is the tone, its apparently too light, this in a run where he has been captured in Latveria, which was one of the creepiest issues ever, battled the Spot in a battle that was almost as creepy and his best friend has got cancer, too light? Not the stories, they are pretty heavy, but as stated above the artwork makes it seem cartoony and trivial, I would love to go back and have a darker artist redo this series and see how it feels then.

Dimetre · Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 2:09 pm Post subject:

Francesco · Underboss Joined: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 1307

Not even Michael Lark would've lessened the impact of the infamous "It's Stiltman" sequence and all the other unnecessary funny stuff.

Marcus Plato · Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 9:53 am Post subject:

Just out of interest, I asked the some guys at my local comic shop (who are all Batfans) if it would be okay if DC were to decide that Bruce Wayne outed himself as Batman and moved to Metropolis.
Their response was a resounding "HELL NO", and "those two elements (his secret identity and defending Gotham) are two of the things that makes the Bat great".
Found that fascinating.
Anyway, no doubt I'll cop a mouthful of abuse for reiterating the point upon which I began this thread. It seems to be the trend these days, sadly. Just try to be polite. I respect all opinions, as it states in the rules of the board. No need to be overly verbose; keep it short and sweet. I look forward to any feedback.
I trust this finds you all well, and have a great weekend.
P.S. If any of you find yourself Down Under, send me a PM and we'll catch up and have a beer with the Devil!

Darkdevil · Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 12:13 am Post subject:

I still don't see the need to impart such an overriding importance to Matt retaining a secret identity. Yes, it's a basic trope of superheroes but I never gave such depth of importance to his need of doing so. As some others have pointed out, based on the info here on this site, it's probably the worst kept secret in Hell's Kitchen anyway.

But if I were to impart such importance, it wouldn't be because of Matt's profession as a lawyer. That's a neat twist on the secret ID but I would think it's more important because of Matt's breakage of his promise to his father to not to become a fighter like he was. The suit allows him to assuage any guilt he may feel in acting out his natural instincts that flies in the face of his father's intentions.

I'm wondering though, I haven't read any of her titles lately, but how is Matt's situation different from She-Hulk's? Matt outs himself and becomes disbarred. Yet She-Hulk is a known hero and she is still able to practice law.

Francesco · Underboss Joined: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 1307

because Matt has repeatedly lied about it in matters involving justice and courthouse cases in general, She-Hulk didn't, as far as I know.

qtmxd · Playing to the Camera Joined: 19 Sep 2010 Posts: 149

I wouldn't even try to reconcile them. That a character like She-Hulk, who has been used at least on occasion for outright comedy, to which I certainly would not object, can be equated with a usually more realistic and serious character like DD, shows how far apart the two sides in this discussion are. We don't all have the same expectations for She-Hulk and DD. We have different standards of mood and conventions of realism for the characters.

admiralpetty · Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 3:26 pm Post subject:

Francesco · Underboss Joined: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 1307

this, anyway, shows that confirming his identity publicly was not without cost. by doing so DD has lost his ability to operate in court as Murdock and as DD outside court.

It was one heck of a price to pay, if you ask me. it should be taken into consideration when the "Waid-yay!" party says that "duh nowadays all superheroes have public identities, so what".

admiralpetty · Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 3:37 pm Post subject:

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