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qtmxd
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Now I'm getting a possibly erroneous memory that the etch-a-sketch ninja story was possibly a filler in one of the gaps of Parts of a Hole publication. Since I don't know when, I'm not sure if I can figure out whether it was before or after USP.
Regardless, while relatively new to Marvel, Bendis was not untested when he took over DD. I don't think Wake Up was a test either... I thought the Maleev run was already planned. |
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Dimetre
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| qtmxd wrote: | Now I'm getting a possibly erroneous memory that the etch-a-sketch ninja story was possibly a filler in one of the gaps of Parts of a Hole publication. Since I don't know when, I'm not sure if I can figure out whether it was before or after USP.
Regardless, while relatively new to Marvel, Bendis was not untested when he took over DD. I don't think Wake Up was a test either... I thought the Maleev run was already planned. |
Daredevil: Ninja was published before Wake Up, and possibly even before Ultimate Spider-Man, but Wake Up was the very first thing Bendis wrote for Marvel.
Here's a review of Wake Up that says it's his first Marvel script: http://www.theouthousers.com/forum/the-news-stand/when-heroes-rouse-the-writer-deconstructing-daredevil-wake-t87831.html
It's easy to forget how extremely behind schedule the individual issues of Parts of a Hole were. If they had come out on a monthly basis, it's likely that Wake Up would have come out several months earlier.
Bendis was hardly established in mainstream superhero comics. Everything he published at Caliber, Image and Oni were crime comics. So Daredevil was kind of treated like a place to try out a new writer when it came to Bendis. It's nothing new. Stan Lee tried John Romita Sr. as artist on Daredevil, because his relationship with Steve Ditko on Amazing Spider-Man was growing strained. Just a few issues on Daredevil and Romita was moved to Spider-Man against his will. |
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qtmxd
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I think Romita Sr. did about 9 issues on DD, including a 2 part Spider-Man tryout, where Spider-Man began his decades long tradition of showing up in DD and sucking up all the oxygen. I remember as a kid counting the panels in part one, and Spider-Man had more of them than DD. I never liked Romita's DD...it looked like a poor Kirby imitation, but I think he did a really good job on Spider-Man.
You're correct, Bendis's work was on crime, though Powers included super hero stuff. But he was well established on USP before his Maleev run, and I don't know where to place Wake Up. It was an artsy experimental colab with Mack, and hard to see as an audition for anything.
I'm just responding the oft-repeated line that DD is good for tryouts before moving on to fame and fortune with important characters. Miller was a tryout, but left Marvel to become a bigger star after DD. And Diggle was a tryout, but I don't know what he's doing now... hopefully, waiting tables, or finding some DC character to destroy. |
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james castle
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And let's not forget that Nocenti came to Daredevil FROM the X-Men franchises (although an editor mainly). And then she left to edit High Times! That's quite a try out.
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qtmxd
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| It's interesting how much brighter Nocenti's star seems over the years. I think she demonstrated a fantasy alternative to gangster noir (although she did that too) that doesn't descend into silver age foolishness. |
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Gianni
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| qtmxd wrote: | | It's interesting how much brighter Nocenti's star seems over the years. I think she demonstrated a fantasy alternative to gangster noir (although she did that too) that doesn't descend into silver age foolishness. |
As far as I recall, Nocenti is pretty much the one and only writer (I mean, good writer) to have provided an interesting, non-derivative version of DD after Miller. As much as this may sound and look like a perfunctory schematization, it's basically this way: there's Stan Lee's swashbuckling DD (later revitalized by Kesel and others); then there's Miller's noir, dark DD (that's where Bendis and Brubaker are coming from). And then there's Nocenti. An original voice, a style of her own. Hats off |
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qtmxd
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| Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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| I think that's actually a good scheme. Even the more controversial writers seem to fit into one or the other... eg, Chichester-noir, Waid-swashbuckling. There was fantasy noir and gangster noir, but still the same ambience. But Nocenti was in a class by herself. |
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Disco_Stu
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[quote="Katerine"] | Dimetre wrote: |
Bendis was the original writer of Ultimate Spider-man |
And has still is after all these years. Does anyone know if he has the recrod for longest writer on a comicbook series? I think it was Peter David on Hulk which lasted 12 years. That is unless you count the fact that Ultimate Spider-man has been renumbered.
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