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Disco_Stu

I don't have a huge problem with the list except Daredevil Reborn has no business being any where on that list.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=49465
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qtmxd · Playing to the Camera Joined: 19 Sep 2010 Posts: 149

I could barely read this... they count so many issues into the runs that it seems to include every DD, good or bad, every published, even including the Diggle run. The writer seems to like everything.
And what's with "the place for innovative writers and artists to prove themselves, often before before venturing out and tackling the big guns of the Marvel Universe."? The usual disrespect for DD, but it's not even true. Colan hardly needed to prove himself, Miller went to DC for his "big gun", and sales aside, Bendis's "proving himself" on DD led to an artistic comedown on Avengers.

Disco_Stu · Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 12:45 am Post subject:

Gianni · Flying Blind Joined: 16 Oct 2012 Posts: 26 Location: Italy

"Brian Michael Bendis had the unenviable task of following Kevin Smith as regular writer of the book" Razz

Is it supposed to be from worst to best? Waid better than Bendis, Brubaker and Nocenti?

It's a mad world

the gael · Playing to the Camera Joined: 29 Aug 2004 Posts: 119

I agree with everything posted above. Diggle's run in the top 10 of DD best stories ? Kevin Smith better than Ann Nocenti ? (considering how much his "guardian devil" story is full of plot holes and mistakes) Bendis "having the unenviable task of following him as regular writer of the book" is so fun to read (knowing that, at the time, Bendis was considered the strongest writer at Marvel. Things have changed since...)

"the place for innovative writers and artists to prove themselves, often before before venturing out and tackling the big guns of the Marvel Universe."

What a wonderful misinterpretation. Yes, the Daredevil book is the place for innovation, and that's why, unlike it is written, so many famous artists want their own run on the book. The only two artists for which DD was "a revelation" were John Romita Sr (who wanted to stay on the book but Stan Lee needed him on Spiderman) and Franck Miller (who wasn't named on a "bigger" Marvel book but left for DC...). All the others were allready proven artists.

qtmxd · Playing to the Camera Joined: 19 Sep 2010 Posts: 149

By "sales aside", I meant my assumption that Bendis's Avengers (or anyone's Avengers) sells better than his (or anyone's) DD, although it's inferior artistically. Like, don't do all that mature stuff that he did on DD ... just some Spider-Man and Wolverine schtick, and big explosions.

Disco_Stu · Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 8:57 pm Post subject:

Dimetre · Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 9:37 pm Post subject:

qtmxd · Playing to the Camera Joined: 19 Sep 2010 Posts: 149

True, but I thought Bendis was considered a rising star with smaller companies, and Marvel was very happy to have him. DD has had plenty of bad runs, but also a lot of artistically ambitious ones.

Disco_Stu · Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 10:21 pm Post subject:

I still think Bendis was a huge writer for Marvel before DD. He pretty much became a house whole name because of Ultimate Spider-Man
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Katerine · Flying Blind Joined: 05 Feb 2008 Posts: 45 Location: USA

qtmxd · Playing to the Camera Joined: 19 Sep 2010 Posts: 149

That DD is a just proving ground for new writers before they go on to big stuff, or DD has especially ridiculous villains, or DD is second rate fighter, are among the untrue things about DD that just keep getting repeated until they become conventional wisdom.

james castle · Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 5:22 pm Post subject:

This quote from comicbookresources' review of the (very crappy) End of Days finale tells you everything you need to know:

Dimetre · Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:59 pm Post subject:

qtmxd · Playing to the Camera Joined: 19 Sep 2010 Posts: 149

Come to think of it, wasn't Bendis's first Marvel story that thankfully forgotten DD single issue with the art that looked like etch-a-sketch? Or was that after Wake-Up?
As far as I can tell from wikipedia's , USP did precede Wake UP, October 2000 vs. May 2001.

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