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daredevil-art · Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 6:05 pm Post subject:

It all starts somewhere. The same was said when Frank Miller brought The Kingpin into DD. Now Kingpin is considered one of DD's greatest foes.
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The Overlord · Paradiso Joined: 22 Aug 2004 Posts: 1095

Nightwing2001 · Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 2:29 pm Post subject:

I don't have any problems seeing DD have the occasional fight with someone else's villian. We've seen it during the Mark Waid run with Klaw, Mole Man and Aim and Hydra. Actually I find it kind of fun to see that every once in a while.

Now if they decide to take another character's villain and turn him into a permanent foe for DD's rogues gallery then they need to set up the proper context for it. I mean they need to come up with a really good reason for it. You don't want another storyline where a character comes out of nowhere like Mysterio, who never even crossed DD's path before, to destroy Daredevil's life for really no appearent reason, it just won't fit and makes no sense.

The Kingpin came from Spider man's rogues and became a HUGE (no pun intented) villian for DD and it fit perfectly because at the time he had gone away from mostly fighting super villians and was attacking more street level and organised crime. So the Kingpin fit into that villian role for him so well.

the gael · Playing to the Camera Joined: 29 Aug 2004 Posts: 119

I have no problem with DD fighting sometimes ("sometimes" is the important word in the sentence) someone else villian. It ground him in the Marvel universe and break the false impression that he is the weakest character in the MU (when ironically, chracters like the Black Widow or Hawkeye aren't more powerfull, they have even fewer powers)

That being said, I prefer that writers focus on DD's own rogue gallery and expend it.

That's exactly what Mark Waid did.

As for Kingpin, people seemed to forget that before Miller, Wilson Fisk (who was then unamed) was a C-lister (well, B lister at best) in Spiderman rogue gallery.

He had potential, of course (he was a strategist and a mob boss), but he was too weak (in term of powers) to be a real challenge for Spiderman.

He was just a lame villian who punched Spidey with his belly.

Miller took him and inserted him in noir stories, and the Kingpin was then use at his true potential.

Bullseye11 · Flying Blind Joined: 05 Oct 2013 Posts: 67 Location: PA

I would love for some really old DD villains to come back. Two people that come to mind are the masked marauder and starr Saxon. The masked marauder was the first villain to come close to discovering daredevils identity and starr Saxon was the first person to actually find it out and use it against DD. Now I know starr is machinesmith now but I would still like to see him pop up in DD comics everyone in a while.

The Overlord · Paradiso Joined: 22 Aug 2004 Posts: 1095

Bullseye11 · Flying Blind Joined: 05 Oct 2013 Posts: 67 Location: PA

That would make sense. I kind if forgot the masked marauder was a landlord(man was that anti climatic). A new one would be very interesting though. Daredevil can always use a good mystery. Although, I'm not really sure how they can hide their identity from DDs radar sense. Back then that would have passed, but now it would make a lot of people angry. Good idea though. If marvel really wanted the idea I'm sure they could find a way to pull it off.

The Overlord · Paradiso Joined: 22 Aug 2004 Posts: 1095

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