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qtmxd · Playing to the Camera Joined: 19 Sep 2010 Posts: 149

I'm not sure if it began with Bendis or Brubaker, but I remember Foggy telling Milla that Matt married her on a rebound and was mentally ill when he did so. If I'm remembering it correcty, it was an awful thing to say. Foggy's living vicariously through Matt is a perverse side of him.
It's always a temptation for writers to put "normal" supporting characters too much in the foreground. The worst example is so many Spider-Man writers assuming readers share their obsession with Aunt May. One of them even put her in an Iron Man suit.
I thought Matt had the potential to be Marvel's Bruce Wayne when he first became leader of the Hand, but they decided to make a fool out of him and do Shadowland instead.
I don't need new villains. I'm happy enough to take b-listers from anywhere and make them good. I think even my much-maligned Waid was on the right track with Klaw and Mole Man, though I still haven't recovered from whoever it was years ago who had him fight Gray Gargoyle and Absorbing Man.
I'd be happy to see fantasy, and Matt to interact with serious grown-ups... Luke Cage, Dr. Strange, Cap, Reed Richards.
I don't know about the Avengers thing. I was happy to give him the respect of being there, but without weapons like Natasha or Hawkeye, he does nothing but occasionally float around in the background. Is he even in any current runs?

qtmxd · Playing to the Camera Joined: 19 Sep 2010 Posts: 149

Among the things writers need to do to elevate him above b-list status is give him more respect as a fighter. He has no weapons, and without chemical enhancement, he can't be as big and strong as Cap. But he should be without question the best martial artist in the MU, not deferring to Iron Fist or the Master of Kung Fu guy. He should have exponentially more skill than Woverine. His 360 degree senses should make him the best aerialist, more so than Cap, and virtually unhittable by a non-superpowered person. And it would be good if any other hero came to him for help, instead of the other way around.

The Overlord · Paradiso Joined: 22 Aug 2004 Posts: 1095

On a general note I don't think Greg Rucka would ever write DD at this point, considering him and Marvel had a major following out over Punisher.

abcdavid01 · Flying Blind Joined: 06 Mar 2013 Posts: 19

The Overlord · Paradiso Joined: 22 Aug 2004 Posts: 1095

Darkdevil · Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:19 pm Post subject:

qtmxd · Playing to the Camera Joined: 19 Sep 2010 Posts: 149

Upgrading him is a editorial and writer's decision that would require no change in powers. He should be the best Eastern oriented martial artist in the MU, with guys like Iron Fist and Master of King Fu deferring to him, and senses and reflexes that make him barely hittable to Spider-Man, Cap or Wolverine. He's constantly depicted as a second rate fighter who just gets credit for trying.

Dimetre · Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:31 pm Post subject:

Darkdevil · Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:50 pm Post subject:

Yeah, that's what I mean. Don't upgrade his powers, but do upgrade how he uses them.

Matt is smart, resourceful, determined, devious, and sneaky. He's exceptionally trained and in prime physical condition. He should be in the Top 3 hand-to-hand combatants in the MU with Cap and Iron Fist. His radar sense and other sense offer him an incredible advantage. He shouldn't be afraid to take on any villain from Stilt-Man to Doom to Magneto.

It's up to the writers to come up with innovative, creative ways for DD to shine as an A-list hero in a universe with the likes of Spider-Man.

qtmxd · Playing to the Camera Joined: 19 Sep 2010 Posts: 149

I remember Kessel's stories, definitely not my thing. I thought Nocenti did really good work having him deal with Mephisto and the Inhumans, and I'm in the minority who liked Chichester. I think even his critics would acknowledge that his DD was at least formidable.

Ryu Murdock · Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:50 pm Post subject:

DD can take on anyone. He's the friggin' man without fear!

What you need is a writer who will tackle such a big undertaking. He has a tactical lawyer's mind that he uses to one up a foe, regardless who it is. DD writers should know how to capitalize on this.

Oh, and a villain does not have to be someone who has gone toe to toe with Thor to be considered dangerous. I for one, have written a DD fan comic with Killgrave all badass he will make Apocalypse cry. The Purple Man is creepy dangerous, more than the Mandarin IMO.

DD is no weakling. He took down 107 Yakuza lackeys in minutes.

Stop giving him villains from other heroes' rogues gallery. He's not a second-string hero that takes care of Spidey or Stark's vommit. His rogues gallery is dangerous enough if you know what to do with it.
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Nightwing2001 · Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 10:39 pm Post subject:

I would have really liked to have seen Greg Rucka write DD but we know that won't happen now because of his falling out with Marvel. I think he could have made a good return of the street level serious Daredevil again.

Sigh. Marvel and DC seem to be really alienating really good writers these days it seems....

Another writer I have always liked is Roger Stern, I would love to see what he could do with the comic. His Spider man and Avengers we're great and I bet he could bring some good stuff to the DD world.

Solid_Payne · Flying Blind Joined: 03 Sep 2012 Posts: 16

DD doesn't need a power up. He finds power from within. Discipline is his strength, and mystical ninja training (and super senses). However, he could be able to adopt the telepathy thing that Stick had, which I think could open the door for a lot of cool "psychic ninja" stories. This was already hinted at in Waid's run with the Hank Pym memory trade-off, even if I didn't really find that issue necessary.

I would have said Remender would be a good choice and I like a lot of his stuff, but if he pulled a Frankencastle on DD, I would not be able to respect him. I liked Frankencastle, but that's only because Punisher is by nature a blank slate. Sometimes Remender kind of comes off as Morrison-lite, just craziness for no real purpose, and I don't think that's what DD needs after Waid's run.

Waid is setting up some kind of twisted sci-fi stuff, so someone who can embrace a sci-fi/noir dark hero can pull this off. I think Warren Ellis would be an awesome choice.
Ironically, I think Brubaker's Fatale is a pretty good example of crime-meets-supernatural that would be a good fit for DD's world, and a shame that he wasn't as imaginative with his own run on DD.

Rucka would be perfect but he's gone.

Jason Aaron would be a good fit I believe but then he too kind of shoots himself in the foot with preachy stories. His Wolverine run was about 50/50 good and horrible, but look at Scalped...

Solid_Payne · Flying Blind Joined: 03 Sep 2012 Posts: 16

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What you need is a writer who will tackle such a big undertaking. He has a tactical lawyer's mind that he uses to one up a foe, regardless who it is. DD writers should know how to capitalize on this.

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DD is no weakling. He took down 107 Yakuza lackeys in minutes.
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Exactly. There's no reason they have to keep having him fight normal criminals and lame villains like the Owl and Gladiator who get no character development. He is super-human and very smart when he's not tragically depressed or angry about something. Someone should bring back the Beast and make it a real interesting threat, not some "come to the dark side" bullshit.
Make it a psychological hurdle for him to overcome, battling with dark, clandestine forces. Lady Bullseye and Black Tarantula were pretty cool and could be developed more.

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