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[Kuljit Mithra]

Please use this thread for discussion on the issue that ships next week!

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Kuljit Mithra
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[baker]

So really, I could have skipped issues 3 and 4, and issue 5 would have fallen right in line. I mean, besides the addition of Elektra and Izo in the fray, it's still one big cliffhanger slugfest with heroes vs. DD and the Hand.

It astounds me that End of Days wasn't used in the place of Shadowland. If they're killing off Daredevil, they might as well done it with the best team possible [bendis/mack/janson/sienkiewicz/maleev].

My predictions for Shadowland 5: Elektra kills Bullseye, Wolverine kills Typhoid Mary, Izo kills White Tiger, Lady Bullseye kills the Kingpin, Punisher kills Spider-man, Dakota kills Foggy, Daredevil kills himself.

[The Mast]

I agree with you, Baker.

Especially now that Bendis has said it's going to be canon.

[Dimetre]

[DDTattoo]

At least there's only one more issue left.
Good lord, how inconsistent was the art? Wolverine stabs Matt vertically, then in the next panel, the wounds are horizontal? The Punisher looks to much like Dolph Lundgren. Elektra could have passed for 2 different women.
At least Wolverine wasn't on the cover.
And, there's only one more issue left.
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[AP]

[baker]

Mike Murdock!!! Now you're on to something.... The "demon/beast" that Matt is possessed by is actually the other half of his split personality, Mike Murdock. It's been swelling in his head like a psychological tumor all these years.

And about End of Days, IMO, Daredevil is about used up as a character. If this past year of DD becomes a writing trend for the title, Daredevil needs to die. I mean, he's been the most tortured superhero on the face of the planet since Elektra died... And every sadistic writer to handle him since then follows suit. A death by the hand of Bendis is what Daredevil needs. I mean, who else could kill him properly? Frank Miller? That'd be way too risky. I think the only thing that could make End of Days better is if Brubaker was co-writing instead of Mack.

[Foggy's Pal]

Ya know, when the news came out about this event, I was excited. "Wow, a Daredevil centric event!" I suppose I thought that meant it would be a Matt Murdoch story as well. Foolish me. This story has no Daredevil/Matt; billing it as a DD story is false advertising. Can't wait for this to end. Hope Reborn restores him in the right way.

[AP]

[baker]

Yeah, that's pretty true. Daredevil was completely horrible after Born Again, until they made the switch to vol. 2 [except for the Joe Kelly run near the end]. I guess it just came as a shock when Daredevil started to get bad, after an (almost) 10 year awesome streak.

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[The Mast]

That's the thing, this was meant to be the ultimate downward spiral of Murdock.

It isn't. Not in the way I hoped. I thought he'd lose grip on reality as lines were blurred naturally and if he'd died at the end, all the sadder.

However, it's just, "Oh, he's possessed." so we can't even blame him for what he's done, it doesn't change his character and now they're gonna waste his first death. They're wasting it on a storyline that has just becomes terribly handles.

From solicits revealing everything, to telling us there'll be a Reborn series already, to making Black Panther have the title without renumbering.

NONE of this has worked out, and it ALL could've. That's the **** thing. Daredevil could've died and been gone for a while, even for a short while, and I'd have been ok with it. Why kill someone who's doing well?

However, it feels like he's dying on a creative low note. That just is so much less than he deserves.

[kentuckydevil]

[Darkdevil]

Maybe I'm naturally too optimistic but even after this possession rubbish, I still try to find some small silver linings in this:

[Gee]

Well said Darkdevil, I have always been a great fan of DD's powers and their inventive use but have pretty much seen them disappear over the past few years to the point where DD is just a pretty good ninja, thats all, not really a superhero. He is lied to constantly and ambushed, the old DD powers would have stopped these things, why dispense with his powers? Lazy writing thats why. Why is Shadowland rubbish? Lazy writing thats why.
As said before this could have been great, its been bubbling for 30 years, brewing nicely but then they just come in and ruin it. Rubbish.
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[theunrealstudios]

man I'm so disappointed right now.

"The birth of the marvel universes greatest villain"

*drum roll*

.....The Beast...... this is one more reason why i hate magic.
lets take out religion and just get down to "magic". Over the years we've seen the tests of will take their toll on Matt and his sanity and now he's not even responsible for his actions. we haven't even gotten to go in his mind to listen to his- sorry "the beasts" warped justifications for these actions. Possed is up there with specific amnesia (Iron man), cloning (Thor), mind control and all the other bullshit story telling devices that limit the scope of telling a really good story as well as completely removing responsibility for a characters actions. heh "with great power (the hand) comes great responsibility (what Matt does with it) well now Matt has no responsibility because he can't be held accountable for his actions no different then how our courts treat a phycological case for the insane.

Why setup 30 years of nervous breakdown, schizophrenia, symbolic nightmares, lost loves, multiple personality disorders, loss of faith, loss of innocence and safety in ones life and suffering in general if your not even going to use that ammunition? it's just a waste of potential

look beyond that and we see that our focus is in the wrong places: kingpin you've done next to nothing and i've yet to find a reason to care, the super best friends and their attempts to "save" Matt we don't need to watch them have their fight escape, sneak back in and have their asses handed to them again. Marvel set the scope as a mini event and that's the problem. had it been a graphic novel that laid the focus completely on Matt with a few cameos here and there rallied to stop him then we wouldn't have a problem but now idk

it should have come down to the people rallied together to fight the hand. i don't mind the idea "everyone is in a panic, it's chaos out there" but saying the beast is corrupting peoples souls as part of his "magic" is just.....

in the end i was really excited for Shadowland and the huge amount of potential it brought (the man had a freakin' ninja clan in the palm of his hand for gods sake....no pun intended) and so far nothing has been a surprise or a big shock. perhaps some good can come out of this but until then what a shame.