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jumonji Guardian Devil

Joined: 23 Sep 2007 Posts: 636 Location: Too close to the Arctic circle
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Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 10:43 am Post subject: |
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Dave Wallace wrote: | Francesco wrote: | From the first sentence it's pretty clear that, of all the books he's been writing, Daredevil was Brubaker's less favourite. To me that doesn't come as a surprise at all. It was pretty clear by how the book was being written. |
Really? I didn't get that impression at all. I always saw DD as one of Brubaker's best books, and felt that the work he put into it was reflected by the high quality of the stories. I much prefer it to his Captain America (which a lot of people seem to think is his superhero masterpiece). |
There's also the matter of Brubaker shedding books generally lately. It started with Iron Fist, then came Uncanny X-men, and now finally Daredevil. So he stuck to Daredevil quite a while compared to the other two.
I wonder if there's some disappointment on his part over the fact that his Daredevil was not the relative commercial success that Captain America has been (even though DD gets a lot of love from critics). Daredevil has been losing readers consistently since the first couple of arcs, though the trend compared to other books isn't quite as bad. I've felt that the quality has been consistently high, but many fans don't feel this way and I wonder if the feeling of being unable to match the success of his first arc might have been bugging him. Just speculating here. _________________ The Other Murdock Papers |
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Dave Wallace Paradiso
Joined: 29 Jul 2004 Posts: 1074 Location: Birmingham, UK
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Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 10:47 am Post subject: |
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Could be. I didn't realise that sales on DD were slipping. |
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jumonji Guardian Devil

Joined: 23 Sep 2007 Posts: 636 Location: Too close to the Arctic circle
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Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 10:53 am Post subject: |
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Dave Wallace wrote: | Could be. I didn't realise that sales on DD were slipping. |
Sales on all books have slipped quite a bit over the last couple of years it seems (I check those sales numbers religiously every month, heh...) and Daredevil is shedding fewer readers than many other books, but has dipped below the 40,000 point recently which worries me. It's not like it's at risk of being cancelled or anything, especially since Quesada likes DD, but it's not good. On the other hand, it wouldn't surprise me if a lot of people have switched to trades during Brubaker's run so I may be making too much of this. _________________ The Other Murdock Papers |
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Blind Alley Tree of Knowledge

Joined: 06 Nov 2004 Posts: 292 Location: Lyon, France
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Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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There's another interview of Diggle on Newsrama.
http://www.newsarama.com/film/030924-DD-Diggle.html
He's basically stating the same things as in the Marvel.com interview but there are a few "new" points...
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Quote: | NRAMA: You could probably write a book on this, but in the semi-condensed form - who is Daredevil for you, and why does he do the things he does?
AD: Short version? Catholic guilt. Seriously, perhaps more than most Marvel characters, Matt is defined by his upbringing, and his dad really instilled him with that sense of doing the right thing, the hard thing, against all odds. Matt's always got the weight of the world on his shoulders. He takes everything on to himself. He can't just let it go, just let it be someone else's problem. That's his burden. And I love the fact that Matt Murdock isn't really Daredevil's "secret identity"; they're basically the same person, driven by the same needs to achieve the same goals, just through different means. |
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Francesco Underboss
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Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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Blind Alley wrote: | There's another interview of Diggle on Newsrama.
http://www.newsarama.com/film/030924-DD-Diggle.html
He's basically stating the same things as in the Marvel.com interview but there a few "new" points...
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Quote: | NRAMA: You could probably write a book on this, but in the semi-condensed form - who is Daredevil for you, and why does he do the things he does?
AD: Short version? Catholic guilt. Seriously, perhaps more than most Marvel characters, Matt is defined by his upbringing, and his dad really instilled him with that sense of doing the right thing, the hard thing, against all odds. Matt's always got the weight of the world on his shoulders. He takes everything on to himself. He can't just let it go, just let it be someone else's problem. That's his burden. And I love the fact that Matt Murdock isn't really Daredevil's "secret identity"; they're basically the same person, driven by the same needs to achieve the same goals, just through different means. |
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I wouldn't say that has anything to do with Matt's presumed Catholicism, but I like this vision. |
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fox_limbo Humanity's Fathom
Joined: 01 Aug 2004 Posts: 335
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Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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I haven't posted here in a while (although, I've been taking a look at any new Daredevil news here whenever I am able to spare time), but I was (and am) absolutely floored by this.
Ed Brubaker has done a very good job with the title (his best work remains "The Devil in Cell Block D"... second, in my opinion, may be "Without Fear"). I was certain, like most others, he would stay on for another year or so. That was the impression I share with others that he still had a long-term plan for the title and a passion for those Daredevil stories yet to tell (although, like others have pointed out, Captain America is his chief Marvel work).
I'm not aquainted with Andy Diggle. I am intrigued by his Hawkeye: Dark Reign mini-series. But it seems he has a solid grip on the character, based on the interviews posted here.
But, I'm just shocked.
It might be where Ed Brubaker will pull a Frank Miller and come back some time down the line to re-visit the character (like how Frank returned with the classic "Born Again" arc).
That does not mean I am against Ed moving on and Andy picking up the torch (I am excited about the cliff-hanger idea... Ed wanted to repeat that concept when Bendis left and turned the reigns over to him). I think Andy will do well with the character and the title. Still, Ed and Michael did very well with their (seemingly abbreviated) run.
This strikingly abrupt creative turn over might lead to the fact that the Daredevil monthly is vacant in May solicits.
I am confident Ed and everyone will go out with a bang with this "Return of the King" arc. The cover for DD# 500 alone is breathtaking!
Thank you Ed Brubaker and Michael Lark for bringing us an interesting take on the character. You guys did a very good job. It will really be tough to see you guys go.
Andy Diggle, I am intrigued with what you have to offer the character, its mythology and its readership. I'll definately be along for the ride.
Still, color me shocked, man. |
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james castle Devil in Cell-Block D
Joined: 30 Jul 2004 Posts: 1999 Location: Toronto, Ontario
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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 11:39 am Post subject: |
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I picked up the Lady Bullseye trade yesterday. After reading the first issue in which Matt talks to and then sleeps with Dakota and we learn that 1. Lady Bullseye exists, 2. she's connected to the Hand, 3. she saw Bullseye once, 4. she wants to kill some people I'm not all that bothered by Brubaker leaving.
Obviously I haven't read the entire arc yet but I can't believe people who buy single issues aren't trying to burn Marvel to the ground. Decompressed is one thing but the content of the first issue of Lady Bullseye could easily be covered in 3-4 pages. "Character development" only works as an excuse for so long. _________________ JC
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Dave Wallace Paradiso
Joined: 29 Jul 2004 Posts: 1074 Location: Birmingham, UK
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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 11:54 am Post subject: |
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james castle wrote: | I picked up the Lady Bullseye trade yesterday. After reading the first issue in which Matt talks to and then sleeps with Dakota and we learn that 1. Lady Bullseye exists, 2. she's connected to the Hand, 3. she saw Bullseye once, 4. she wants to kill some people I'm not all that bothered by Brubaker leaving.
Obviously I haven't read the entire arc yet but I can't believe people who buy single issues aren't trying to burn Marvel to the ground. Decompressed is one thing but the content of the first issue of Lady Bullseye could easily be covered in 3-4 pages. "Character development" only works as an excuse for so long. |
Oh, I don't know - you could have an entire issue of character development and it be gripping. Watchmen #4 is one of my favourite comics ever, and it's basically just an origin story for Dr. Manhattan, but it's told in such a perfect way that it's engrossing and enjoyable to read.
On the other hand, Marvel is guilty of excessive decompression sometimes, and I remember this issue being a bit of a slow start. Still, I thought that there was enough in there to make it a worthwhile read anyway.
My review of that issue is here: http://www.comicsbulletin.com/reviews/12221730566343.htm |
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Gloria Redemption

Joined: 28 Apr 2007 Posts: 711 Location: Suburbia around Barcelona
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Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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I am sad at the prospect of Brubaker leaving DD, and even more sad at the recent announcement that Lark is leaving also.
I thought that Brubaker had longer-term plans for DD, in fact, all his past interviews gave hints in that direction, and in every arch there was a new element of wrapping loose ends left from the Bendis Era.
In short, I was sure that, with Matt out of jail, back in the bar, and with a sound team of secondary characters (with the welcomeadditions of the now-returned Becky, Dakota and Black Tarantula), Brubaker was preparing himself to deliver further goods... And more since I expected master Izo to have an Orson Randall type of relationship with Matt. I wonder if Diggle will adopt any of the ideas Brubaker had for further plots.
Will I drop the title? damn, I didn't drop it even when Miller left, so I'll be staying.
Yes I'm character-driven gal: I wouldn't miss the adventures of Foggy Nelson for nothing in the world _________________ Gloria
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"Para la cuesta arriba quiero mi burro, que la cuesta abajo yo me la subo" |
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vtsoxfan7 Playing to the Camera

Joined: 31 Jan 2006 Posts: 182 Location: The 'noke, VA
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Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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Damn, this was a rough week or so for fans of this current DD run! As much as I liked Alex Maleev's DD, I've grown to like Michael Lark's even more. I was really hoping that he would carry over to Diggle's run even if for just a few issues.
I'm interested to find out what else he may move onto...another project with Brubaker? They've done quite a bit of work together between DD and Gotham Central.
I've hesitated to start thinking about who else I'd like to see on the book since I've enjoyed Lark's pencils so much. Now that the end is in sight I'd LOVE to see David Aja take over. His work on both the Immortal Iron Fist and DD #116 were great. Clay Mann wouldn't be too shabby either.  _________________ https://twitter.com/tburnham7
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Gloria Redemption

Joined: 28 Apr 2007 Posts: 711 Location: Suburbia around Barcelona
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Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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vtsoxfan7 wrote: | Now that the end is in sight I'd LOVE to see David Aja take over. His work on both the Immortal Iron Fist and DD #116 were great. |
Don't forget DD #88  _________________ Gloria
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vtsoxfan7 Playing to the Camera

Joined: 31 Jan 2006 Posts: 182 Location: The 'noke, VA
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Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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Gloria - good looking out. I did manage to overlook #88.
Can anyone tell me who the guy to the left of Kingpin is supposed to be on Djurdjevic's cover for #500? Not the pale guy to the left and just below (Tombstone) but the one up top between Kingpin and Matt? The only big recurring character (friend or foe) that isn't pictured as far as I can tell is Foggy and that guy doesn't really look the part...it's the only character I'm not placing... _________________ https://twitter.com/tburnham7
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Dave Wallace Paradiso
Joined: 29 Jul 2004 Posts: 1074 Location: Birmingham, UK
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Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 3:56 am Post subject: |
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vtsoxfan7 wrote: | Can anyone tell me who the guy to the left of Kingpin is supposed to be on Djurdjevic's cover for #500? Not the pale guy to the left and just below (Tombstone) but the one up top between Kingpin and Matt? The only big recurring character (friend or foe) that isn't pictured as far as I can tell is Foggy and that guy doesn't really look the part...it's the only character I'm not placing... |
He sort of looks like the Penguin.
It could be Foggy, I guess. I can't think of anyone else. |
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jumonji Guardian Devil

Joined: 23 Sep 2007 Posts: 636 Location: Too close to the Arctic circle
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Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 4:07 am Post subject: |
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I think that's supposed to be the Fixer actually. That's the only one I can think of. He looks nothing like Foggy and is sort on the villain side of the page. He also seems to loom over Jack Murdock in the ring. It doesn't make perfect sense to have him be that prominent, but in a sense I guess he would be the villain that created the hero, at least the one who dresses up in a costume. _________________ The Other Murdock Papers |
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Dave Wallace Paradiso
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Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 4:09 am Post subject: |
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Good thinking, it could well be the Fixer. |
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