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Daredevil #116 Preview & Discussion *SPOILERS*
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Francesco wrote:
I'll add that, the way I see it, Brubaker was right in not developing Martha's character. This way, the reader is left to imagine what sort of life Wilson has had in the months he has spent with this woman, and this enhances the feeling of simplicity and fleeting happiness of it all.

Yeah, I liked the way that was done. "Uncle Wheelie" made me smile. Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finally was able to pick this up last night. In general, it's a very nice character piece that makes you actually feel sympathy for Wilson Fisk. I really liked David Aja's work here. It reminded me in some ways of Mazzucchelli and Weeks, and some of the designs (the page with Spider-Man, DD and Bullseye) were also nice.
I've also gotta give credit to Stefano Gaudiano here... he's able to ink over so many different types of artists and do it well. I like how he used his own thumbprints to help ink.

Should be an interesting issue next month.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dave Wallace wrote:
I guess superhero characters inevitably end up getting caught in a certain cycle of stories and plots, and that can sometimes be difficult to break out of. What other aspects of Matt would you like to see explored?


Sorry for the late reply. I've been thinking a lot about this the last couple of days, and I think I might have to devote a post to that on my blog. I'll keep you posted. Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jumonji wrote:
Dave Wallace wrote:
I guess superhero characters inevitably end up getting caught in a certain cycle of stories and plots, and that can sometimes be difficult to break out of. What other aspects of Matt would you like to see explored?


Sorry for the late reply. I've been thinking a lot about this the last couple of days, and I think I might have to devote a post to that on my blog. I'll keep you posted. Wink

Cool, let me know. I'd be interested to read your thoughts.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, so I haven't really read comics much lately (still buy some, but most have just piled up). I just finished reading #109-#116 and doing some much needed catchng up (jeez, you should see my stack of Batmans!).

ROTK Part 1 (or the prologue, if you will), was decent. I hope it makes good on the promise it shows. But, truth be told, I've had mixed feelings regarding Bru, lately. The stories (especially the last arc) haven't been terrible, but they just haven't been all that spectacular for me, either. So much so, my DD comics actually piled up.

I, actaully, can't beleive some of you guys like this Lady Bullseye character. I truly hope KP ends her this arc (or at least the next writer does). I find nothing compelling about this character. Oh, and Master Izo . . . geez. Seriously, is Stevie Wonder making appearance anytime soon? A Stick-like character that's like Stick, and looks like Stick, but isn't Stick, yet taught Stick. It's like Bru being in a band and thinking it would be great to have a concert on a rooftop. Get back, Loretta.

The only thing I really liked, recently, was Matt and Dakota's relationship. She is soooo much cooler than Mila Then it turns out Bru was really just doing this to help his plot along and Mila's parent's lawyers. It's amazing how arbitrary Matt's senses can be, like hearing Lady Bull's laughter blocks away, but not a dude with a camera. But, anyway, that's just being picky, I know. I won't even get into how boring and predictable DD has become with the everyone knows his senses thing, thanks to Bendis. Seriously, why don't villains just carry a sonic device to incapacitate him before the fight even starts. For heaven's sake, any mailman should be able to beat DD. Oh, wait, then we wouldn't have a comic. But, we wouldn't have had that great "outing" story, either, would we? A story that I really can't even remember the details of, at least not the way I remember Miller, Nocienti and Chichester's stuff.

But anyway, whatever, I'm remain optimistic. I guess.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 3:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@rgj:

Hmm... Well, I can certainly buy Lady B not being very interesting though I think she's an okay villain. Then again, I'm usually only interested in most villains from a "what does he/she tell us about the main character" perspective, so I wouldn't know. I also thought that the fall-out of that arc, #115, was the weakest issue of Bru's to date, but that the four preceding it were good.

I'm going to have to disagree about Master Izo though. Superficially, you're absolutely right. Blind ninja who trained Stick. How can he not be just like Stick? But when it comes to their personalities they seem like complete opposites. Granted, we never really got to know Stick that well, but my impression of him was that he was strict, extremely disciplined, and had no sense of humor whatsoever. I'm not saying Izo is ready for a primetime comedy show, but Stick never even smiled. Aside from the obvious superficial resemblance, they don't feel like the same character to me at all. (What are others impressions of Stick, btw?)

About Matt and Dakota, I never got the feeling that she was just a temporary plot device, and in interviews Bru even seemed to hint at her getting a much bigger role in the future. Who knows what's going to happen with that once he's off the book, but I never got the feeling that the only fallout of their affair was to get Matt in trouble with the in-laws.

When it comes to Matt's senses, I do agree that they're arbitrary, though not more so now than in the past generally. I never reacted to either of the scenes you mentioned though and I don't really get the comparison. Not only is the "sound physics" (which, yeah, I'm geeky enough to take into account when reading DD) of the two situations very different, but in the later scenario he's having sex with a model. Now that's a plausible distraction if there ever was one. Though why he doesn't close the curtains escapes me. Bru does underestimate the senses from time to time, but I didn't feel this was one of those times.

My candidate for most irksome superhearing moment goes to Bendis though. Remember that scene from Trial of the Century, when he's on top of the courthouse and listening to the jury in the basement? That is so far-fetched it bugs me every time I see it. Those sounds should have physically stopped existing several stories below (hearing things from far away on an open street is a completely different animal). I don't mind a little stretch here and there, it's a comic after all, but that was a pretty major one in my book.

And, yeah, everyone knowing the details of his physiology isn't good for the credibility of the stories generally. I totally agree.

Either way, it's nice to see you back. Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jumonji wrote:
I'm going to have to disagree about Master Izo though. Superficially, you're absolutely right. Blind ninja who trained Stick. How can he not be just like Stick? But when it comes to their personalities they seem like complete opposites. Granted, we never really got to know Stick that well, but my impression of him was that he was strict, extremely disciplined, and had no sense of humor whatsoever. I'm not saying Izo is ready for a primetime comedy show, but Stick never even smiled. Aside from the obvious superficial resemblance, they don't feel like the same character to me at all. (What are others impressions of Stick, btw?)

I agree. There are superficial similarities, but their personalities are quite different. I always saw Stick as quite strict and humourless, too.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jumonji wrote:
Stick that well, but my impression of him was that he was strict, extremely disciplined, and had no sense of humor whatsoever


Well, Master Izo slapping Matt upside the head for not focusing/understanding when they met didn't help. Just like Stick. And, for heaven's sake, why is he blind?? Too contrived for my taste.

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When it comes to Matt's senses, I do agree that they're arbitrary, though not more so now than in the past generally. I never reacted to either of the scenes you mentioned though and I don't really get the comparison. Not only is the "sound physics" (which, yeah, I'm geeky enough to take into account when reading DD) of the two situations very different, but in the later scenario he's having sex with a model. Now that's a plausible distraction if there ever was one. Though why he doesn't close the curtains escapes me. Bru does underestimate the senses from time to time, but I didn't feel this was one of those times.


It's not that Bru is underestimating the senses. It's that he amps them or limits them to suit his plot (just as he did when Matt didn't identify Danny in the DD costume until his fist went all glowy). And, by the way, Matt wasn't having sex the whole time pics were being taken. And, seriously, look at those pictures, isn't Matt's training room like in his basement? Wouldn't the guy have to be in the room? You say all writers have done this from time to time, but it gets more complicated when, now, every villain knows that Matt has hypersenses. It's silly that when Matt was outed everyone knew he had hypersenses and the extent of their poweres too. But, look, I'm not saying Bru's stories are bad because of this. I wouldn't say he's a bad writer because we know he's not. I'm just saying that when these arbitrary senses scenes occur they stick out like a sore thumb. Amazingly transparent and distracting for me.

BTW, I read in a handbook that Matt can hear through a soundproof wall. How's that for physics?
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rgj wrote:
BTW, I read in a handbook that Matt can hear through a soundproof wall. How's that for physics?

That's totally plausible. Standard soundproof walls let sound through, just not a lot of sound. Assuming that his hearing goes down to the "absolute zero" of hearing at -23 dB (i.e. if the sound physically exists, he can hear it) that should easily cover a standard soundproof wall situation. Several walls, one after the other, on the other hand, is a different story. Eventually, the sound energy disappears to nothing. I'm not just making this stuff up randomly, you know. Wink

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You say all writers have done this from time to time, but it gets more complicated when, now, every villain knows that Matt has hypersenses. It's silly that when Matt was outed everyone knew he had hypersenses and the extent of their poweres too.

I agree, and I would love to see more senses consistency in the future. Everyone knowing that Matt is blind and has heightened senses was a big mistake IMHO, and the Murdock Papers was a travesty when it comes to continuity and general common sense. I find it far-fetched that even Matt himself should know the extent of his senses to put a number to them. As far as any of us know, he's never been to the doctor to find out nor has he been held for testing anywhere at some secret military base. But then one of the things that bugged me the most about Bendis's writing was his handling of Matt's senses generally. He was sort of consistent I guess, but they were amped up like crazy in some cases.
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