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The Overlord
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Gloria
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I'd like to see Foggy happily married, and with kids 
(as far as the Editor in Chief allows it... you know, that would age the character, even if the story is supposed to happen in the future)
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jumonji
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I'll second what Gloria said.  Aside from that, and I know this makes me sound like I'm five, I don't like the idea of a story about Matt dying being in canon. I know that fictional characters live in the imagination of the reader and that each reader can choose to disregard whatever they want, but it's a strange thing to me to throw this out there saying "this is how it must end because it's canon." What they would have to do then is sketch out a future that current and future writers would have to keep in mind and adhere to and that doesn't make sense to me.
Either way, what I would like to see is for the cover of DD apparently dying to be a red herring, and that the man behind the mask actually goes on living. That this is the end of the superhero, not the man (and there are many ways that could be done). And if he has to die, can't he be at least fifty or something? Please...  I know this is wishful thinking and writers like to make his life miserable, but there are ways of making even slightly more uplifting stories compelling.
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Gloria
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| jumonji wrote: | | Aside from that, and I know this makes me sound like I'm five, I don't like the idea of a story about Matt dying being in canon. |
Same here. Matt has always fought for things he considered right: I feel a violent death (such as preliminary cover art seems to suggest) would be a punishment for being good? I mean, too often bad guys win in real life, and good people's life's suck... It is disheartening to have the same glum scenario in a fictional comic... Somehow, I'd like Matt to win, in the end.
While Matt sure has a dangerous way to live, I'd rather have him reaching a venerable age and becoming a second Stick... maybe training young heroes and heroines along with Natasha? Why not?
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Francesco
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| Judging from what's written in that page, I think that Bendis is a little arrogant if he wants to impose a definitive story on the end of DD as canon. |
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The Overlord
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| jumonji wrote: | I'll second what Gloria said. Aside from that, and I know this makes me sound like I'm five, I don't like the idea of a story about Matt dying being in canon. I know that fictional characters live in the imagination of the reader and that each reader can choose to disregard whatever they want, but it's a strange thing to me to throw this out there saying "this is how it must end because it's canon." What they would have to do then is sketch out a future that current and future writers would have to keep in mind and adhere to and that doesn't make sense to me.
Either way, what I would like to see is for the cover of DD apparently dying to be a red herring, and that the man behind the mask actually goes on living. That this is the end of the superhero, not the man (and there are many ways that could be done). And if he has to die, can't he be at least fifty or something? Please... I know this is wishful thinking and writers like to make his life miserable, but there are ways of making even slightly more uplifting stories compelling. |
End stories usually are set in the future, so it be the "last" DD story, but it would set when DD is 60 or something. DD can't be the same hero now wn he is in 60s or older, after a while, some punk will get lucky because age will have slowed down Matt. All the comments Bendis have made suggest the story is set in the future, such as referring to "Dark Knight returns".
If it is set in the future (and thus won't be a story that we have to worry about comming up) then what's the harm? It could be a great story and DD could die a hero in a way that would truly honor his life.
| Gloria wrote: | | jumonji wrote: | | Aside from that, and I know this makes me sound like I'm five, I don't like the idea of a story about Matt dying being in canon. |
Same here. Matt has always fought for things he considered right: I feel a violent death (such as preliminary cover art seems to suggest) would be a punishment for being good? I mean, too often bad guys win in real life, and good people's life's suck... It is disheartening to have the same glum scenario in a fictional comic... Somehow, I'd like Matt to win, in the end.
While Matt sure has a dangerous way to live, I'd rather have him reaching a venerable age and becoming a second Stick... maybe training young heroes and heroines along with Natasha? Why not? |
Still when DD reach's a venerable age, what's to stop some punk from killing because Matt has slown down due to age? besides unlike Batman you can't train someone to be the next Batman, Matt can't give someone his super senses.
Besides there have tons of great stories where the hero's future hasn't been the brightest, like Batman Beyond, where Batman after decades of fighting crime ends up living alone in his house with only his dog to keep company, that was still a great series. you can make a great story out of a hero who doesn't end up with ther perfect ending.
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Francesco
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If it is set in the future (and thus won't be a story that we have to worry about comming up) then what's the harm? It could be a great story and DD could die a hero in a way that would truly honor his life. |
...or it couldn't. And it would be definitive just the same.
See what's the problem with it?
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The Overlord
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| Francesco wrote: | ...or it couldn't. And it would be definitive just the same.
See what's the problem with it? |
But it is set in the future, where DD is 60+, so what's the problem? How long can DD go bewfore the odds are just against him because age? |
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Francesco
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| No, no. I don't mean "I'd hate if DD would lose". I mean, to put it bluntly, "I'd hate if such a definitive story would suck". |
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The Overlord
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| Francesco wrote: | | No, no. I don't mean "I'd hate if DD would lose". I mean, to put it bluntly, "I'd hate if such a definitive story would suck". |
Okay granted, that is risk, but that's a risk with almost story. this is an epic and important story that just can't be told in the regular series.
I mean let's look at Bendis for a second. I think bendis' run on DD proves he can write the character. Bendis is a niche writer, which means when he is writing within his niche (solo urban heroes) the results are usually good, when he is writing outside of his niche (over the top super heroics or team books) the results are usually bad. This is within is niche, so I can expect him to do a better job with this than New Avengers (which is outside his niche). Plus I think he would put his A-game on for such an important story.
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| I just hope it's better than Spider-man: Reign. |
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Francesco
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| The Overlord wrote: | | Francesco wrote: | | No, no. I don't mean "I'd hate if DD would lose". I mean, to put it bluntly, "I'd hate if such a definitive story would suck". |
Okay granted, that is risk, but that's a risk with almost story. this is an epic and important story that just can't be told in the regular series.
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But you'll agree with me that "there is more at stake" with such kind of story, or not?
If the ending story of DD sucks, and it's canon, it will be tremendous to DD's readership, much more than it would for an "ordinary" story. |
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Blind Alley
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| Quote: | | This is within is niche, so I can expect him to do a better job with this than New Avengers (which is outside his niche). Plus I think he would put his A-game on for such an important story. |
I also hope so.
| Quote: | | But it is set in the future, where DD is 60+, so what's the problem? How long can DD go bewfore the odds are just against him because age? |
In Marvel's world, a DD aged 60+ wouldn't be necessarily weak. Think about Stick. It took a whole bunch of Ninjas to take him down.
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The Overlord
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| Blind Alley wrote: | | Quote: | | This is within is niche, so I can expect him to do a better job with this than New Avengers (which is outside his niche). Plus I think he would put his A-game on for such an important story. |
I also hope so.
| Quote: | | But it is set in the future, where DD is 60+, so what's the problem? How long can DD go bewfore the odds are just against him because age? |
In Marvel's world, a DD aged 60+ wouldn't be necessarily weak. Think about Stick. It took a whole bunch of Ninjas to take him down. |
DD isn't Stick, Stick spent all his time training and developing his abilities, Matt did not, he has life and a career, he doesn't have the time become like Stick. Plus dD with "magic ninja powers" (like that stuff stick did before he died) would be silly. |
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Francesco
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| Even so, with DD 60+ in the red corner, and a bunch of ninjas in the blue, my money's on ol' (literally) hornhead. |
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