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james castle
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| Ed Brubaker wrote: | Can I just say how insulting this entire thread is to me? Wow.
Brian Bendis is one of my closest friends, for one, and would never force a plot on ANYONE, for another. I asked if I could use the Hood in DD because I wanted to, after hearing his plans for him. If you keep reading the comic, you'll see how it all fits together.
Or you could just sit around and make insulting assumptions. I guess that's more fun, right? |
Yeah. You should all be ashamed of yourselves. It is insulting to suggest that anyone at Marvel would ever try to force an idea if it might jeapordize creativity or...friendship.
Plus, haven't you heard? The Hood is the Kingpin of Supervillians. The KINGPIN. Of SUPERVILLIANS. It's the most exciting and creative idea of all time. Didn't you read New Avengers? The Hood realized that he could attack the loved ones of Superheroes. Don't you see what an incredibly original and fresh idea this is? Sure, sure the Green Goblin figured it out literally decades ago but it's still original and fresh. Plus, he is the Kingpin of Supervillians. No one knows what that means but have you ever heard those two nouns in the same sentence before? No. No you haven't. Kingpin. Supervillians. It's exciting.
Maybe it's a tad insulting to assume that Bendis would dictate to Bru. Two things though. First, no one was really saying that. At it's highest people were suggesting that Bendis had another one of his bright ideas (Skrulls!) and Marvel, not Bendis, had put some pressure on Bru to bring The Hood into DD as well.
Secondly: even if that's not the case (and I fully believe Bru when he says he's the one who asked Bendis if he could use The Hood) it's not that crazy for people on the board to assume the opposite. Marvel has done some pretty ridiculous stuff lately. Comon, Wolverine is on six teams. Spiderman is a god damned Avenger for Christ's sake. It's ludicris to come on the board and act all offended and be like "how dare you imply that Marvel comics are influenced by anything other than the true creative spirit". I believe Bru when he says that he truly wants to use The Hood but the point is that it wouldn't be surprising if the opposite were the case.
Lastly, I think we can all agree that it's nice to have creators on the board. At the same time, no one likes someone who comes in just to throw their weight around when others dare question Marvel.
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rgj
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I actually did say something to the effect that Bendis was dictating to Bru. I was hoping Bru would respond to what harry had posted, so I did all I could to have Bru comment on this topic.
Still, Bru did not comment on Mr. Fear (which is he, Fagan or Cranston?). And, if Bendis is using Fagan, then who's idea was that? And, does it affect DAREDEVIL? But, I stand corrected, all DAREDEVIL ideas are Bru's.
Bru sounds as if this kind of crossover thing has never happened, or been "forced" upon. Afterall, something like Civil War is the brainchild of a few and because of the nature of the story it HAS to filter out to everyone else. Peter David (not that I heard him complain) had to deal with powerless mutants after House of M. And, jeez, look what happend to MOON KNIGHT, it started off so good, then it turned into a Civil War companion. Now, that writer was dictated to! And, if he claims that he wasn't dictated to, then he has nothing to be proud of.
Look, I've pretty much dropped all of Marvel this year (thank God for Vertigo comics!), except for Daredevil and X-Factor. It seems to me, and yes, it's just my opinion, that Marvel is going down hill. And, gimmicky writing/plots like House of M, Avengers Disassmbled, Civil War and this Skrullektra suff isn't working.
I have a very bad feeing about this Hood idea. It seems as gimmicky (the Marvel Universe will never be the same!, again  ) as the other stuff. KINGPIN of SUPERCRIMINALS! Big wow. But, Bru says it's his idea to bring him to DAREDEVIL. And, he says it all fits together.
We'll see.
rgj
Have we really "insulted" Bru?? Geez, and that's cause we all love what he's done on DD, thus far. He's gotten rave reviews! I think he's one of the best DD scribes, ever. Seriously. If Bru is insulted, then MSJ must have a razor to his wrist. |
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Ed Brubaker
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Next time you guys want to know something, just ask me. Generally, I check this board about once a week or so.
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harryhausen
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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I only mentioned it because I thought it played into the plotting (the Cranston/Fagan thing?) and I know lots of the folks here don't really read New Avengers.
I do read NA, though (and think it's great) and am kind of excited to see the Hood up in DD. I still think our man Murdock might be the one to kick his ass up and down the block. I'm ready to see DD get down to some serious beatin' up of villains, Ed . . . Thanks. |
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Ed Brubaker
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It's just kind of funny that some of you think Bendis runs Marvel or something. You clearly don't know much about how the company actually operates.
Did DD have any Civil War tie-ins? No. Because I didn't want to change my story to do that, and no one insisted I do so. I'm sure my editor would have loved the extra sales if I did, but I didn't.
And Bendis didn't write CW, by the way. With CW and House of M, all the tie-ins that were done were requested by editors, and most of the people that did them did them because they wanted to, to get more exposure to their own books.
Regardless, though, it's editors, not writers, that request these things.
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Francesco
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| I would've appreciated CW more if it would've been more coherent with what was going on in Daredevil at that time (not the other way around, mind you). |
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Dimetre
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| Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 11:04 am Post subject: |
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| Ed Brubaker wrote: | It's just kind of funny that some of you think Bendis runs Marvel or something. You clearly don't know much about how the company actually operates.
Did DD have any Civil War tie-ins? No. Because I didn't want to change my story to do that, and no one insisted I do so. I'm sure my editor would have loved the extra sales if I did, but I didn't. |
I, for one, thank you for that.
| Ed Brubaker wrote: | | And Bendis didn't write CW, by the way. With CW and House of M, all the tie-ins that were done were requested by editors, and most of the people that did them did them because they wanted to, to get more exposure to their own books. |
Joe Quesada did make a point of mentioning in Wizard that Bendis came up with the idea of Civil War in the first place. Perhaps I'm not aware at what a cool guy he is, which makes him a good friend to you. I don't have that luxury. My only exposure to him has been through his work, and as acclaimed as his run on Daredevil was, it wasn't my cup of tea to say the least. And during that time it seemed as if Bendis was poking his fingers into every corner of the Marvel Universe. And Quesada seemed only too happy with this development.
This is just how things appeared to me, an outside observer. Of course you know much better than I do how things run at Marvel. Myself, I've never even been to New York City. |
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rgj
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| Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Ed wrote: | | It's just kind of funny that some of you think Bendis runs Marvel or something. You clearly don't know much about how the company actually operates. |
C'mon. Who are you kidding? It's obvious that Bendis is the Kingpin of the Writers.
Dan "the bomb" told me it was so.
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Ed Brubaker
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Brian has a lot of pull to get his own stuff done, just as I have pull for my stuff. But neither he or I or any other writer can dictate to editors or other writers what they should or will do in their books.
Even with House of M, when the tie-ins started, it wasn't Brian's idea, and all he ever did was say do one if you want, once it was clear they were happening. In fact, Brian spent a lot of time, for no compensation, talking to other writers who wanted to do tie-ins to help them out.
So, understandably, when people mischaracterize him or get personal, I get pissed off. He's a good guy, and one of the nicest people I've ever known.
If you want to trash his writing, go ahead. That's your choice and your opinion. But don't imagine him as some guy running Marvel and forcing his ideas on other people. That's not who he is, and never has been.
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Neilan
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| Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 12:53 am Post subject: |
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| Ed Brubaker wrote: | Brian has a lot of pull to get his own stuff done, just as I have pull for my stuff. But neither he or I or any other writer can dictate to editors or other writers what they should or will do in their books.
Even with House of M, when the tie-ins started, it wasn't Brian's idea, and all he ever did was say do one if you want, once it was clear they were happening. In fact, Brian spent a lot of time, for no compensation, talking to other writers who wanted to do tie-ins to help them out.
So, understandably, when people mischaracterize him or get personal, I get pissed off. He's a good guy, and one of the nicest people I've ever known.
If you want to trash his writing, go ahead. That's your choice and your opinion. But don't imagine him as some guy running Marvel and forcing his ideas on other people. That's not who he is, and never has been. |
I appreciate your setting the record straight and admire anyone who sticks up for a friend. Would it be fair to say, in your opinion, that due to his great track record, that Mr. Bendis has a major influence on Marvel's creative policies, if perhaps unintentional? My opinion is that I would have much less problem with Bendis calling the shots, then I would with the current administration. I mean there is alot to like about some of what Marvel is putting out now. Your work on DD and Captain America (I just picked up the Criminal trade, so I can't comment yet) would be at the top of that list. There are other writers, including Bendis, and plenty of great artists and craftsmen who should be included too. But the overall direction of the MARVEL UNIVERSE seems a bit fragile to me. It's some of the general business decisions that influence one's appreciation for the creative product. One example would be the big summer event. You can set your clock to it. Just not to its schedule. (I understand that stuff happens, but a well run organization plans for unexpected situations.) No matter how inventive and creative a story may be, these "events" can start to feel like just another expensive Jerry Bruckheimer movie. And I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with an expensive, explosive action extravaganza. I just wouldn't want most of the other movies tied into that one big event. I'm a Spidey guy, and I've enjoyed most of Staczynski's (sp?) work on that title, and his FF too, but what was with the Civil War twin storylines? That may have been his decision, I don't know, but doesn't the editorial staff owe it to him, their overall principles, and the supporters of those titles to curtail that sort of technique? Didn't they see that when purchasing so many of the different tie-in books, the last thing the fans needed was two books that repeat so much of the same story? One may appreciate seeing the different perspectives shown in the books, but within the context of the big event, it mainly came across as diluting any well intentioned artistic decision. This was long, sorry, but it felt good to get it off my chest. Anyhow, Ed, thanks for keeping in touch.
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