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rgj
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 Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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I still don't get how the cops can have Milla on murder charges. It is clear that she angrily pushed Lily, and that cused Lily to bump into the guy who bit the bullet. How is that murder?? I'm not saying the cops don't have a right to arrest Milla, but the one cop said it was "murder."
The thing with everyone knowing about Matt's senses (as Fear did) is also getting old. They outed Matt as DD. They did not out his senses.
As I said before, it was Bendis who married "knowing Matt is DD" with "knowing Matt has super senses and a radar." But, whatever, that's just a me being picky, I'm sure.
Seriously, I can't wait for the next arc when the Purple Man shows up and says to Daredevil, "Hey, Matt, how are you and your super senses doing these days?? Can you really tell how many grains of salt there are on a pretzel you eat??"
As far as the speculaiton about Fear's identity. Matt (and his senses) clearly know it's Larry. He is not drugged during Fear's initial speech. It was obvioulsy Larry's voice, heartbeat, and odor. Oh, wait, this Fear know's about Matt's "senses" and obviously knows how to fool them. Knows how to "bypass" them, what with the new Marvel Universe Handbook being out. 
It's amazing how these supervillains don't really want to kill the heroes. Fear had every opportunity to kill Matt. Yet, in a way, he just let's him go. But, I guess Fear really wants to torment our hero.
Now, let me just say, that overall, this issue was great. Ed continues to do some good work. "Love is fear." Good stuff. Some of Ed's best stuff is when he's just poking around Matt's introspecive mind, hallucination or not.
The change of artists was done the right way. When Matt took down KP back in Bendis's run, the change of artists really didn't work and it ultimately took away from the final fight sequence. Having the artist change with each hallucination was a great idea. Good stuff.
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Marvel Knight
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| Darediva wrote: | The LCS is the only one in town, and the guy who "manages" the place is more interested in gaming than taking care of someone waiting to pay at the counter. For three times in a row, I went in, had to help myself to my file, because he was too busy playing Heroclix or a video game. Now, I can deal with that to an extent, but when he also sold my copy of DD out from under me more than once, and failed to order a couple of other titles I had on my pull sheet, then enough is enough. Then to tell me to "wait a minute, it's my turn" at the game he's playing...AAAARRRRRGH!
Simply put, I did the same thing I do when I don't get customer service at any given place. I take my business elsewhere. I've been in retail. You wait on the people in the store. They bothered to make the trip there, so take care of them.
Now I order online from Zeus Comics in Dallas, because Richard and company there are the ones who put on CAPE every year, and they are a fantastic bunch of people. Small wonder they got the award in 2006 for the best comics retailer. |
I can relate. Action Packed Comics is the only LCS here (years ago they're used to be several of them in town) and the service there is abysmal (mind you, for different reasons). My guess is that the manager believes that because he runs the only local comic book store in town people living here will therefore have to come to him. Not so, I buy online now.
There is a store in Ottawa called Silver Snail where I used to go when I was in university (planning on moving back up there for work, but I digress) and they were great. I miss them. It's cool to order my books online but I still like going into a store, seeing people, and buying stuff as early as it becomes available if I want to.
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blacktyphoid
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From: "Clayton Blind Love"
Ed, tell me you've got this all mapped out to the big #500 party in 20 more. You'll be around right?
Speaking of issue "500", I would appreciate seeing a resumption of the volume one issue numbers on the current vol 2 run starting with issue #500 (or 120). That would be a nice tip-o-the-hat to traditionalists and old-timers like me.
Tradition was one thing I always thought DC respected more than Marvel. When it comes to their flagship titles, such as Action, Detective, Superman and Batman, DC would never reload these titles by starting them over in a volume two format. As a result, DC has titles that span over sixty years and hit such pantheon issue number highs as 800!! If you're an old time collector, you'd much rather appreciate collecting a comic title that hits number 800, rather than, say, volume three of the same title that hits only issue number, say, 47, in the 800 issue history of the title.
So, Ed, please hear me out: let DD's 500th anniversary issue actually be issue number 500 instead of issue number 120 and then, from there, resume attaching the volume 1 numbers on the cover beside the volume 2 issues. If necessary, make the volume 1 issue number smaller and lighter so that you avoid confusion. But, in whatever way shape or form that's required, make bloody sure volume one issue numbers are back on the covers of Daredevil.
Btw, my thanks to Gloria for welcoming me to the Board. |
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Marvel Knight
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| Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 2:23 am Post subject: |
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| blacktyphoid wrote: | From: "Clayton Blind Love"
Ed, tell me you've got this all mapped out to the big #500 party in 20 more. You'll be around right?
Speaking of issue "500", I would appreciate seeing a resumption of the volume one issue numbers on the current vol 2 run starting with issue #500 (or 120). That would be a nice tip-o-the-hat to traditionalists and old-timers like me.
Tradition was one thing I always thought DC respected more than Marvel. When it comes to their flagship titles, such as Action, Detective, Superman and Batman, DC would never reload these titles by starting them over in a volume two format. As a result, DC has titles that span over sixty years and hit such pantheon issue number highs as 800!! If you're an old time collector, you'd much rather appreciate collecting a comic title that hits number 800, rather than, say, volume three of the same title that hits only issue number, say, 47, in the 800 issue history of the title.
So, Ed, please hear me out: let DD's 500th anniversary issue actually be issue number 500 instead of issue number 120 and then, from there, resume attaching the volume 1 numbers on the cover beside the volume 2 issues. If necessary, make the volume 1 issue number smaller and lighter so that you avoid confusion. But, in whatever way shape or form that's required, make bloody sure volume one issue numbers are back on the covers of Daredevil.
Btw, my thanks to Gloria for welcoming me to the Board. |
Amen, and well said. Not only do I want to second that, but I also welcome you to the board (mind you, I'm relatively new as well).
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Darediva
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| Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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Finally! Got my copies and I love the whole damn thing! Loved the digging around Matt's head while he's freaked out on the fear gas. Loved the guest artists' takes on the various hallucinations.
Some great lines, too. ("Get the car, asswipe.") Matt thinking that the "past clings to him", more so than him clinging to it.
The little background touches, like the fight poster that touts Battlin Jack Murdock vs. The Fixer. After all, that's really who Jack's fight was against that night.
The transition from young Matt to DD in the yellow costume in the scene with Milla is brilliant. So is that insightful conversation.
Great cliffhanger with the bomb guy in Cranston's apartment. Just enough information to make us wonder who that poor bastard was...
You are delightfully evil, Ed Brubaker.
Edited to add: welcome to the board, black typhoid. Here's the DD balloon bouquet and the welcome wagon basket of Moon Pies and RC Cola. 
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blacktyphoid
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| Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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From "Gloria" in suburban Barcelona, Spain:
Incidentally, welcome to the board.
From "Darediva" in Arkansas, USA:
welcome to the board, black typhoid. Here's the DD balloon bouquet and the welcome wagon basker of Moon Pies and RC Cola.
From "Marvel Knight" in Kingston, Ontario, Canada:
Amen, and well said. Not only do I want to second that, but I also welcome you to the board (mind you, I'm relatively new as well).
To my fellow Fans Without Peer -
I FEEL THE LOVE!
Right Back At'cha!
Thank you for your kind words and welcoming remarks.
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The Overlord
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 9:25 am Post subject: |
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| rgj wrote: | I still don't get how the cops can have Milla on murder charges. It is clear that she angrily pushed Lily, and that cused Lily to bump into the guy who bit the bullet. How is that murder?? I'm not saying the cops don't have a right to arrest Milla, but the one cop said it was "murder."
The thing with everyone knowing about Matt's senses (as Fear did) is also getting old. They outed Matt as DD. They did not out his senses.
As I said before, it was Bendis who married "knowing Matt is DD" with "knowing Matt has super senses and a radar." But, whatever, that's just a me being picky, I'm sure.
Seriously, I can't wait for the next arc when the Purple Man shows up and says to Daredevil, "Hey, Matt, how are you and your super senses doing these days?? Can you really tell how many grains of salt there are on a pretzel you eat??"
As far as the speculaiton about Fear's identity. Matt (and his senses) clearly know it's Larry. He is not drugged during Fear's initial speech. It was obvioulsy Larry's voice, heartbeat, and odor. Oh, wait, this Fear know's about Matt's "senses" and obviously knows how to fool them. Knows how to "bypass" them, what with the new Marvel Universe Handbook being out.
It's amazing how these supervillains don't really want to kill the heroes. Fear had every opportunity to kill Matt. Yet, in a way, he just let's him go. But, I guess Fear really wants to torment our hero.
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To be fair Fear knowing about DD's sense would make more sense than you think. Cranston has been obesessed with DD for most of his adult life and has suspected Matt as being DD for a long time. Cranston is an obsessive freak who would have nothing better to do than to study and research Matt for years on end. Are you saying no one can figure out that secret?
This hardly new in the early issues of spider-man: Mysterio, Chameleon and Green goblin deduced that Spider-Man's spider sense through research and study. |
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rgj
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 9:37 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Are you saying no one can figure out that secret? |
Yeah. Since the obvious guess is that Matt is faking blindness. Yeah, I think it would be hard to deduce that Matt's senses were enhanced.
And, before people cite Frank Miller's drunk Bullseye deduction. That was sort of forced and ridiculous too. What? Bulls investigated for a couple of days and came up with the Marvel Handbook definiton of Matt's powers. Ridiculous.
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Francesco
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 11:41 am Post subject: |
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Like Bullseye, the federals too postulated the hypersenses (still as an hypothesys).
I think that a good observer - a really good observer, meaning one who would maniacally study his movements again and again - could discover that Matt has hypersenses. |
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The Overlord
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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| rgj wrote: | | Quote: | | Are you saying no one can figure out that secret? |
Yeah. Since the obvious guess is that Matt is faking blindness. Yeah, I think it would be hard to deduce that Matt's senses were enhanced.
And, before people cite Frank Miller's drunk Bullseye deduction. That was sort of forced and ridiculous too. What? Bulls investigated for a couple of days and came up with the Marvel Handbook definiton of Matt's powers. Ridiculous.
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Doom figured it pretty quickly, but he is a super genius.
Considering Cranston is a obsessive nut who has likely has been studying and keeping tabs over a period of years and was able to deduce that DD was Matt before most other villains figured that out, couldn't you say it is somewhat logical that Cranston knows of DD's super senses. You say it is illogical that Bullseye figured it after a few days of study, but what someone who has studied Matt for years? |
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rgj
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So, Overlord,
You are saying that even without the Bendis Out storyline, Mr. Fear would have known Matt had hypersenses? He would have still said the comment about "I wonder how your senses will react to my new gas" (okay, that's not word for word  ).
Doubtful.
By the way, it's funny how no one claims Stick had hypersenses, despite being a very capable and deadly blind man.
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Neilan
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| The Overlord wrote: | | rgj wrote: | | Quote: | | Are you saying no one can figure out that secret? |
Yeah. Since the obvious guess is that Matt is faking blindness. Yeah, I think it would be hard to deduce that Matt's senses were enhanced.
And, before people cite Frank Miller's drunk Bullseye deduction. That was sort of forced and ridiculous too. What? Bulls investigated for a couple of days and came up with the Marvel Handbook definiton of Matt's powers. Ridiculous.
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Doom figured it pretty quickly, but he is a super genius. |
Yeah, but Doom had the benefit of once actually inhabiting Matt's body and "seeing" that he was truly blind.
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The Overlord
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| rgj wrote: | So, Overlord,
You are saying that even without the Bendis Out storyline, Mr. Fear would have known Matt had hypersenses? He would have still said the comment about "I wonder how your senses will react to my new gas" (okay, that's not word for word ).
Doubtful.
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Well that depends on how well he can hide it, as noted, Cranston is an obsessive nut who hated Murdock most of his life and he suspected that he was DD right after Matt moved to San Fran. Cranston's whole life has been about obsessing about Matt, so he would have been keeping track of him since college. He would have pouring over Matt's medical records over and over again, if anyone could figure it, it would be Cranston.
If some nut was stalking you for years, they would know everything about you. |
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rgj
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You know, you go on and on about Larry stalking Matt, but c'mon. I've read more stories with DD going up against Blackheart for heaven's sake. All of a sudden, you have Larry "obsessing" over DD.
We can agree to diagree on whether or not Larry had the chance to look over Matt's medical records (I doubt 25 year old doctor's notes about a kid smelling and hearing acutely would still exist. And, Matt was told by Maggie to keep his sensations secret). So, yeah, we can agree to disagree.
But, it is my opinion that this "Hey, Matt, how and you and your senses these days" is getting old. Are you telling me I'm wrong?
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The Overlord
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| rgj wrote: | You know, you go on and on about Larry stalking Matt, but c'mon. I've read more stories with DD going up against Blackheart for heaven's sake. All of a sudden, you have Larry "obsessing" over DD.
We can agree to diagree on whether or not Larry had the chance to look over Matt's medical records (I doubt 25 year old doctor's notes about a kid smelling and hearing acutely would still exist. And, Matt was told by Maggie to keep his sensations secret). So, yeah, we can agree to disagree.
But, it is my opinion that this "Hey, Matt, how and you and your senses these days" is getting old. Are you telling me I'm wrong?
rgj |
If Larry wasn't obsessed about Matt, how did he figure out Matt was DD and why did he claim he always hated Matt in DD 91? If you always hated someone, wouldn't you be obsessed with them?
As for medical records, Bullseye did get ahold of them, which led to his conclusion in DD 181. You may not like it, but it is in canon. Besides its kinda of comic book convention that villains can figure out the heroes abilities through research. Do you think it was wrong that in the silver age Chameleon, Mysterio and Green Goblin deduced that Spidey had a spider sense? Maybe people couldn't figure that out in real life, but happens all the time in comics.
You may have a point about every villain knowing the nature of his super senses, but I do think some villains could figure out and others couldn't. I think Larry could because he has likely being tracking Matt since college, but if say Bushwacker figured it out, that would be kinda silly.
I can tell you one thing, if DD ever met Batman, he figure it out right quick.
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