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Sandman · Flying Blind Joined: 09 Dec 2006 Posts: 27

Ok, so Murdock springs Kingpin on the condition that he leaves the country. I don't have the issue in front of me, but didn't they say he also had his American citizenship revoked or something to that extent?

Now, I know KP's appearance in the Spider-Man story is being played out prior to release, so I guess I can allow that one if I have to. --BUT WHAT ON EARTH IS HE DOING SHOWING UP IN RUNAWAYS AFTER REGISTRATION HAS BEGUN?!?!?!?!?!?

I have just felt that Fisk is overused at the moment. If they find a way to remove him from the equation (as Bru had done) -why on Earth don't they stick with it?

Sorry. Just needed to rant and get it out of my system.

james castle · Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 8:11 am Post subject:

Kingpin may be overexposed in DD (I personally don't think he is but I can see how others do). He is not, however, overexposed in Runaways. You can't "rant" about a character being overexposed in one book, removed from that book and then...gasp...showing up in an entirely unrelated book. It just doesn't make any sense.
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Forrest · Lowlife Joined: 07 Dec 2004 Posts: 1439

Did Runaways explain Fisk's presence in the U.S.A. despite having his citizenship revoked? Sure, if Fisk wanted to get back into the U.S., getting a fake passport would be the least of his concerns. However, I got the impression that he really didn't want to return...

Not to take another stab at Marvel but right now, I don't think accurate characterization is even on Marvel editorial's radar.
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the truebeliever · Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:18 pm Post subject:

That really takes me out of the whole marvel universe experience. When you events that don't add up. Joss Whedon is a wonderful writer and I love his work on Astonishing X-Men (I'm going to miss him on that series after this arc) but he made a big mistake with this first issue of this arc in The Runaways.

james castle · Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:41 pm Post subject:

Forrest · Lowlife Joined: 07 Dec 2004 Posts: 1439

The age old question: blame the writer or blame editorial?
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Dimetre · Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 7:08 pm Post subject:

I don't think it's a writer's job to read every book Marvel puts out, and make sure his/her story meshes with each of them. That's the editor's job. If Marvel is indeed a universe, as Stan Lee intended it to be, than ultimately Quesada as Editor-in-Chief, is responsible for maintaining it. I could be wrong though. Looking at the Kingpin showing up in Runaways, and Neilan's example of New Avengers/Fallen Son in the "head shaking" thread, I'm not sure I know what Quesada does at Marvel.

james castle · Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 7:25 pm Post subject:

For the love everything that is holy it's Joss. If he wants to bring uncle Ben back Joey Q better green light it in record time. I dislike continuity concerns at the best of times. Demanding that every Marvel book, no matter how unrelated, be consistent with each other would accomplish little other than boxing in creators. I'm all for Avengers titles being consitent with each other and having the X-Men family make sense but Daredevil and Runaways? Comon.
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Dimetre · Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 8:08 pm Post subject:

Maybe I'm not as liberal as James about this, because I've never really paid much attentiont to Joss Whedon, but I would imagine that eventually every story proposal has to make it's way to Quesada, and that it's his job to keep in mind everything that's going on the the cockamamie universe. If a writer, be they Joss Whedon or Bob Gale wanted to bring the Kingpin at this point in time into their story, they would have to let the editorial board know their intentions. Than Quesada would have to inform them why that would be impossible. I don't blame Whedon for anything. I've heard all his stuff rocks. But it would seem that Quesada has a job to do, and he is just not doing it.

Sandman · Flying Blind Joined: 09 Dec 2006 Posts: 27

-When I started this off I didn't intend to come off as someone being nitpicky over Whedon's work. -Far from it. After Fisk appeared in Bendis's run a few times and then in Devil in Cell Block D, I felt that removing Fisk from the equation was a good move.

Now, I'm realistic. I don't expect Kingpin to be gone forever. But for the moment it allows for exploration of Matt's problems without the reader wondering at length what Fisk must be up to.

Yet two months after being banished from US soil, he's back.
My complaint is that Fisk's appearance in another book (whether or not Whedon is the writer) takes away the power and meaning to the resolution that Bru had given us.

It boils down to the fact that the lack of decent editing has defaced Bru's work, which I have been totally enjoying. If it weren't for DD and Iron Fist, I think I'd be done with Marvel for good. -And how often have I heard THAT statement uttered on various boards lately???

Neilan · Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 10:50 pm Post subject:

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Kuljit Mithra · Hardcore Joined: 29 Jul 2004 Posts: 1530 Location: Canada

I knew I had read something about this continuity issue and I found it finally... I think this was from one of the Joe Fridays, but I found it posted on another site:

If Wilson Fisk is currently permanently expelled from U.S. soil according to the recent Daredevil arc, how is he operating as the Kingpin in the recent Runaways preview? I’ll assume Runaways now takes place post-Civil War, so I’m a little befuddled by this. Especially if the Hood is soon to be taking a rise to power. Did someone not give Whedon the memo?

JQ: Joss definitely got the memo, Mundungus...and read it. Runaways is post-Civil War and in continuity. We talked it all over with Brubaker (who is a gentleman, a scholar and Kristin Bell’s #1 fantasy) and he was cool with it.

Here’s how it works: just because you quit something doesn’t mean that you’re easily extricated from it. He’s in NY wrapping up some loose ends that he had to deal with. It’s only temporary. You’ll see a reference to current Daredevil continuity in Runaways #26. The Runaways have been on the run during the whole "Fisk in prison" stuff and contacted him through channels set up when their parents were in charge of the LA criminal underground. A lot of this will become clearer as the story goes on, true believer.
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Francesco · Underboss Joined: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 1307

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